1 00:00:36,083 --> 00:00:37,834 Wade: I never told anyone 2 00:00:37,917 --> 00:00:41,125 about any of the sexual stuff that went on. 3 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,875 I felt special. 4 00:00:44,959 --> 00:00:49,208 I was this boy from the other side of the world 5 00:00:49,291 --> 00:00:51,792 and Michael chose me. 6 00:00:51,875 --> 00:00:55,208 Yeah, there's no question I was like head over heels 7 00:00:55,291 --> 00:00:57,458 in love with Michael. 8 00:00:58,083 --> 00:01:00,250 And he said he loved me. 9 00:01:04,625 --> 00:01:07,208 What's your name? -My name's Wade. 10 00:01:07,291 --> 00:01:09,417 His name's Wade. How old are you Wade? 11 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:11,250 Ten. -Ten years old. 12 00:01:11,333 --> 00:01:15,208 Wade: A real momentum had started behind my career 13 00:01:15,291 --> 00:01:18,333 in the dance world, starting to do music videos, 14 00:01:18,417 --> 00:01:21,417 commercials, and acting in TV shows. 15 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:24,000 Go on, Wade! Show what else you can do! 16 00:01:25,917 --> 00:01:30,166 Wade: A lot of it became about impressing Michael. 17 00:01:31,542 --> 00:01:33,583 Hopefully make him happy and make him impressed, 18 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:37,625 and, you know, get that stamp of approval. 19 00:01:37,709 --> 00:01:39,959 Host: Yeah, Wade! 20 00:01:40,041 --> 00:01:41,625 Give Wade a hand! 21 00:01:41,709 --> 00:01:43,834 Yeah! 22 00:02:08,834 --> 00:02:13,625 Wade: There was a kind of mass sleepover at Neverland. 23 00:02:13,709 --> 00:02:17,166 I would've been about 11. 24 00:02:21,041 --> 00:02:24,000 And it was Jordy, 25 00:02:24,083 --> 00:02:26,166 Jordan Chandler, 26 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:28,041 Macaulay Culkin, 27 00:02:28,875 --> 00:02:31,458 and myself. 28 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:36,125 Jordy was the new kid, 29 00:02:36,208 --> 00:02:38,709 the new boy, and the one who was 30 00:02:38,792 --> 00:02:41,792 super close with Michael. 31 00:02:41,875 --> 00:02:45,417 Michael and Jordy would disappear a lot. 32 00:02:45,792 --> 00:02:50,000 And I remember this particular moment when... 33 00:02:50,083 --> 00:02:52,834 all of us kids and Michael were... 34 00:02:52,917 --> 00:02:56,041 were hanging out in Michael's bedroom in Neverland. 35 00:02:56,125 --> 00:03:01,000 All of a sudden, Michael and Jordy were gone. 36 00:03:01,083 --> 00:03:05,333 They had gone in one of his bathrooms, 37 00:03:05,417 --> 00:03:07,750 and the door was closed. 38 00:03:08,375 --> 00:03:10,166 You know, I used to be 39 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:14,750 the boy who was in there with Michael. 40 00:03:14,834 --> 00:03:17,750 You know, I just knew in my gut that... 41 00:03:17,834 --> 00:03:20,083 that's what they were doing when they were disappearing. 42 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:24,000 They were doing all of that same sexual stuff. 43 00:03:24,083 --> 00:03:26,208 Good morning, everyone. Michael Jackson is at the center 44 00:03:26,291 --> 00:03:28,625 of a criminal investigation in Los Angeles. 45 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:31,083 One report talks of child abuse charges. 46 00:03:31,166 --> 00:03:33,542 Newsman: Official reports obtained by NBC News 47 00:03:33,625 --> 00:03:36,208 detail the allegations against Jackson, 48 00:03:36,291 --> 00:03:38,417 made by a 13-year-old boy. 49 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:41,417 He told a case worker that a four-month-long relationship 50 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:44,375 with Jackson began with the singer hugging him, 51 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:46,709 and ended with various sex acts. 52 00:03:46,792 --> 00:03:49,709 When pop star Michael Jackson dropped out of sight two weeks ago, 53 00:03:49,792 --> 00:03:54,750 there was much speculation that he was trying to duck child molestation allegations. 54 00:03:54,834 --> 00:03:58,417 Newsman: Jackson's people claim the charges are part of an extortion plot. 55 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:02,333 They claim that Michael is more of a victim than a suspect. 56 00:04:02,417 --> 00:04:05,917 Joy: He loved children. He missed out on his childhood. 57 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,250 He just enjoyed being with children. 58 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:10,542 I can hear him saying to me, 59 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:13,417 "I would never hurt a child." 60 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:15,000 He would cry. 61 00:04:15,083 --> 00:04:17,250 "I could never hurt a child," 62 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:19,834 and he would break into tears. 63 00:04:19,917 --> 00:04:21,166 Very convincing. 64 00:04:21,250 --> 00:04:24,750 You know, I'd been told that Wade was sleeping, 65 00:04:24,834 --> 00:04:28,166 doing sleepovers with Michael, and sleeping in his bed. 66 00:04:28,250 --> 00:04:31,250 And then you hear stories of, you know, 67 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:34,792 someone accusing him of molesting a child, 68 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:37,917 and I'm, like, holy crap, is-- 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,425 is that what's happening with my brother? 70 00:04:44,041 --> 00:04:46,458 Wade: The next big thing I remember 71 00:04:46,542 --> 00:04:52,667 was two cops showing up at my door. 72 00:04:53,875 --> 00:04:57,166 Joy: They said that Michael had been charged 73 00:04:57,250 --> 00:04:59,959 with child abuse. 74 00:05:00,041 --> 00:05:01,500 I said to Wade, you know, 75 00:05:01,583 --> 00:05:04,166 "You've done nothing wrong. You can tell us. 76 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:06,625 It's not your fault, you've done nothing wrong." 77 00:05:06,709 --> 00:05:08,208 Wade was very stoic. 78 00:05:09,875 --> 00:05:11,583 But this was... 79 00:05:11,667 --> 00:05:13,792 you know, terrifying right from the get. 80 00:05:13,875 --> 00:05:16,625 This is the first time that... 81 00:05:16,709 --> 00:05:18,875 anyone ever... 82 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:21,083 directly asked me, you know, 83 00:05:21,166 --> 00:05:23,250 did Michael Jackson ever touch you sexually 84 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:25,083 or anything like that? 85 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:27,333 Without flinching, 86 00:05:27,417 --> 00:05:30,333 without batting an eyelash, 87 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:32,583 you know, my answer was no. 88 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:35,208 No way. Absolutely not. 89 00:05:35,291 --> 00:05:37,583 You know, did this-- Did he ever touch you here? 90 00:05:37,667 --> 00:05:40,208 Did this sort of thing ever happen? Did he ever 91 00:05:40,291 --> 00:05:44,000 show you... any pornography? 92 00:05:44,083 --> 00:05:46,041 All of those sorts of questions, you know. 93 00:05:46,125 --> 00:05:48,417 Over and over again, without flinching, 94 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:52,959 my answer was no, absolutely not. Never. 95 00:05:53,041 --> 00:05:54,583 Joy: Obviously, as a mother, 96 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:57,417 when these allegations were brought to us, 97 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:59,333 the first thing when I get Wade 98 00:05:59,417 --> 00:06:01,166 by himself, I said to him, "Okay. 99 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:05,083 "So, as your mother, I need to ask you, 100 00:06:05,166 --> 00:06:08,750 has Michael ever done anything inappropriate with you?" 101 00:06:08,834 --> 00:06:11,291 And he was so convincing. 102 00:06:11,375 --> 00:06:12,875 "Absolutely not. 103 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:16,834 "He has never ever done anything. Never." 104 00:06:16,917 --> 00:06:20,834 You know, as soon as the cop started asking me these questions, 105 00:06:20,917 --> 00:06:23,917 the first thing that came to mind for me was 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,709 everything that Michael started saying to me when I was seven. 107 00:06:27,792 --> 00:06:30,583 You know, if anyone ever found out that... 108 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:34,959 we were doing any of these sort of things, these sexual things, 109 00:06:35,041 --> 00:06:38,435 that he and I would go to jail for the rest of our lives. 110 00:06:38,709 --> 00:06:40,083 It was terrifying. 111 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:43,250 Why is Michael Jackson, 112 00:06:43,333 --> 00:06:44,834 an adult, 113 00:06:44,917 --> 00:06:46,375 repeatedly 114 00:06:46,458 --> 00:06:49,125 sleeping in the same bed 115 00:06:49,208 --> 00:06:51,333 with a young boy? 116 00:06:52,166 --> 00:06:54,041 It is important to note 117 00:06:54,125 --> 00:06:56,041 that children everywhere 118 00:06:56,125 --> 00:06:57,500 are watching 119 00:06:57,583 --> 00:06:59,500 to see how this child, 120 00:06:59,583 --> 00:07:02,583 who has been brave enough to come forward, 121 00:07:02,667 --> 00:07:04,375 to make his allegations 122 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:05,933 will be treated. 123 00:07:06,875 --> 00:07:08,583 They may be fearful 124 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:10,750 about what will happen to them 125 00:07:10,834 --> 00:07:12,291 if they come forward 126 00:07:12,375 --> 00:07:15,542 to make a charge against a celebrity, 127 00:07:15,625 --> 00:07:18,417 or against a powerful person. 128 00:07:21,583 --> 00:07:25,250 Michael Jackson: There have been many disgusting statements 129 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:27,375 made recently concerning allegations 130 00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:29,959 of improper conduct on my part. 131 00:07:30,041 --> 00:07:32,959 These statements about me are totally false. 132 00:07:33,041 --> 00:07:35,458 They served a search warrant on me, 133 00:07:35,542 --> 00:07:38,208 which allowed them to view and photograph my body, 134 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:40,000 including my penis, 135 00:07:40,083 --> 00:07:42,792 my buttocks, my lower torso, 136 00:07:42,875 --> 00:07:46,417 thighs, and any other area that they wanted. 137 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,458 It brings tears to my eyes 138 00:07:48,542 --> 00:07:51,500 when I see any child who suffers. 139 00:07:51,583 --> 00:07:54,291 I am not guilty of these allegations, 140 00:07:54,375 --> 00:07:57,625 but if I am guilty of anything, 141 00:07:57,709 --> 00:08:00,041 it is of giving all that I have-- 142 00:08:00,125 --> 00:08:01,709 all that I have to give 143 00:08:01,792 --> 00:08:04,125 to help children all over the world. 144 00:08:04,208 --> 00:08:07,583 It is of loving children of all ages and races. 145 00:08:07,667 --> 00:08:09,750 It is of gaining sheer joy 146 00:08:09,834 --> 00:08:13,417 from seeing children with their innocent and smiling faces. 147 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:16,792 To my friends and fans, 148 00:08:16,875 --> 00:08:19,500 thank you very much for all of your support. 149 00:08:19,583 --> 00:08:23,333 Together, we will see this through to the very end. 150 00:08:23,417 --> 00:08:25,333 I love you very much, 151 00:08:25,417 --> 00:08:27,750 and may God bless you all. 152 00:08:27,834 --> 00:08:29,959 I love you. Goodbye. 153 00:08:35,542 --> 00:08:37,333 James: He had been, 154 00:08:37,417 --> 00:08:39,583 I think, a little absent 155 00:08:39,667 --> 00:08:41,792 from my life. 156 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:44,250 And then, he's back in it 157 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:46,417 'cause he needs you for something. 158 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:48,000 He needs you to testify. 159 00:08:48,083 --> 00:08:52,291 So honestly, you're happy that he's back. 160 00:08:52,375 --> 00:08:56,083 You're kind of just excited that he's talking to you again. 161 00:08:57,458 --> 00:08:59,125 Stephanie: First heard it on the news. 162 00:08:59,208 --> 00:09:01,959 Totally shocked. 163 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:05,583 I told my husband, "We need to talk to Jimmy." 164 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:08,709 He said Michael did not touch him. 165 00:09:08,792 --> 00:09:11,667 "Are you all all right? Did anything happen to you?" 166 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:13,083 "No, Mom." 167 00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:15,625 It was like, "No, Mom," like that. 168 00:09:15,709 --> 00:09:20,083 It would go for months without talking, or seeing each other. 169 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:22,875 Now all of a sudden, once... 170 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:25,808 this Jordy case kind of exploded in the press... 171 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:30,333 every day, he would call. 172 00:09:30,417 --> 00:09:34,709 Electronic voice: Friday, 3:12 p.m. 173 00:09:38,333 --> 00:09:40,792 Michael Jackson: Gabby! 174 00:09:40,875 --> 00:09:44,875 It's Apple Head. Um, I was wondering maybe... 175 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:48,000 sometime tomorrow night, we could see a movie. 176 00:09:48,083 --> 00:09:49,750 It'd be really nice. 177 00:09:49,834 --> 00:09:52,750 So, I'll call you tomorrow. 178 00:09:52,834 --> 00:09:54,083 I'll sleep in tomorrow, 179 00:09:54,166 --> 00:09:57,208 and then maybe we can do something. Thank you! 180 00:09:58,041 --> 00:09:59,500 Goodbye. 181 00:09:59,583 --> 00:10:02,709 Bye, Little One. 182 00:10:02,792 --> 00:10:06,500 After these phone calls had been going on for a while, there were-- 183 00:10:06,583 --> 00:10:08,834 I mean, you know, really similar, each one, 184 00:10:08,917 --> 00:10:11,834 and just the same sort of talk, and... 185 00:10:11,917 --> 00:10:16,166 I mean, what I understand now as coaching sessions, you know. 186 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:19,542 I went in to meet his lawyers for, like, a rehearsal. 187 00:10:19,625 --> 00:10:23,208 They gave me-- They did, like, a mock interview. 188 00:10:23,291 --> 00:10:26,125 You know, kind of role-playing 189 00:10:26,208 --> 00:10:28,166 a policeman or lawyer and... 190 00:10:28,250 --> 00:10:31,291 You know, "We know you guys have done this. We have photos. 191 00:10:31,375 --> 00:10:34,792 So, just tell us... Just tell us about it." 192 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:37,667 That... That's like a ploy. Like, they don't know, 193 00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:40,542 they don't have photos, just tell them no. 194 00:10:40,625 --> 00:10:43,834 That's, like, the golden rule. 195 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:45,875 You know, just don't tell them, 196 00:10:45,959 --> 00:10:49,583 and they don't actually know, or they can't prove it. 197 00:10:49,667 --> 00:10:51,917 It was reported in Vanity Fair that, 198 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,125 that Michael convinced his 13-year-old mother-- 199 00:10:56,208 --> 00:10:59,709 the mother of his 13-year-old accuser to allow-- 200 00:10:59,792 --> 00:11:01,500 to allow him to move in 201 00:11:01,583 --> 00:11:04,000 with them in the same house, and that for three months, 202 00:11:04,083 --> 00:11:07,667 he slept in the same bed with this 13-year-old boy. 203 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:10,166 I mean, at best, would you describe 204 00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:11,917 Michael Jackson's behavior 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,333 as just extremely weird? 206 00:11:14,417 --> 00:11:17,709 Well, I wouldn't accept what I read in Vanity Fair , Katie, 207 00:11:17,792 --> 00:11:20,083 and that's one of the things I'd like to talk about at some point. 208 00:11:20,166 --> 00:11:22,542 But, let me say this. I think when the facts come out, 209 00:11:22,625 --> 00:11:25,458 that you'll find out that Michael Jackson 210 00:11:25,542 --> 00:11:29,179 loves children, and he loves them in a very, very proper way. 211 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,542 You know, very much said-- 212 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:36,166 He used the... "They want fame and money" card. 213 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:41,750 Like, that was... So, kind of what he-- he pitched to everybody. 214 00:11:41,834 --> 00:11:46,291 Um, so, that's what he told my parents, 215 00:11:46,375 --> 00:11:47,875 and they believed him. 216 00:11:52,041 --> 00:11:54,083 Stephanie: And I said to Michael, 217 00:11:54,166 --> 00:11:56,500 why is this boy doing this to you? 218 00:11:56,583 --> 00:11:59,417 And he said, "Oh, it's not him. It's his father. 219 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:01,667 His father wants money." 220 00:12:02,792 --> 00:12:04,834 I asked if he was angry with the boy. 221 00:12:04,917 --> 00:12:07,250 He said, "No, I'm not angry with him." 222 00:12:07,834 --> 00:12:10,542 And I thought, what a good man. 223 00:12:10,625 --> 00:12:12,291 What a good man Michael is. 224 00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:15,208 He's not even mad at the child. 225 00:12:15,291 --> 00:12:19,041 Michael: Thank you. 226 00:12:19,125 --> 00:12:22,291 Newsman: Jackson likes to surround himself with young children, 227 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:25,750 and some of them have been speaking out on his behalf. 228 00:12:25,834 --> 00:12:28,417 Last night, this girl, who says she and her brother 229 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,583 have spent lots of time with Jackson, 230 00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:33,583 talked to station KNBC in Los Angeles, 231 00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:36,917 denouncing the allegations of child molestation. 232 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,583 I think it's sick, personally, 233 00:12:38,667 --> 00:12:40,917 because Michael loves little kids. 234 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,625 You know, I've known Michael since I was 10. - Man: 235 00:12:43,709 --> 00:12:45,000 He's never done anything to me. 236 00:12:45,083 --> 00:12:46,792 He's never done anything to my brother. 237 00:12:46,875 --> 00:12:49,041 I loved this man. I trusted him. 238 00:12:49,125 --> 00:12:51,417 I didn't think he would ever do anything. 239 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,709 You know that he's famous and people could do this, 240 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:57,250 and people could be after money and stuff like that. 241 00:12:57,333 --> 00:12:58,667 So, that wasn't hard to believe. 242 00:12:58,750 --> 00:13:00,709 Newsman: Joy Robson said she did not believe 243 00:13:00,792 --> 00:13:02,375 Jackson would molest anyone. 244 00:13:02,458 --> 00:13:05,291 You just develop that trust with him immediately. 245 00:13:05,375 --> 00:13:07,291 He's just a very special person. 246 00:13:07,375 --> 00:13:11,166 Because we were so close with Michael, obviously... 247 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:13,750 I wanted to believe that. 248 00:13:13,834 --> 00:13:17,208 But more than anything, I believed my son. 249 00:13:17,291 --> 00:13:19,750 I believed that he would've told me 250 00:13:19,834 --> 00:13:22,667 had something happened. 251 00:13:22,750 --> 00:13:25,792 Newsman: Sources tell CNN, authorities may attempt to bring Wade 252 00:13:25,875 --> 00:13:27,542 before the grand juror. 253 00:13:27,625 --> 00:13:32,917 I was excited by the idea of being able to defend him, 254 00:13:33,625 --> 00:13:36,625 and being able to save him. 255 00:13:36,709 --> 00:13:38,625 Yeah, you know, there's been different times 256 00:13:38,709 --> 00:13:40,458 where it'd just be me and Michael. 257 00:13:40,542 --> 00:13:41,583 Then there'd be other times 258 00:13:41,667 --> 00:13:43,250 where he has other friends over, too. 259 00:13:43,333 --> 00:13:47,000 It's just... a slumber party. We just have a lot of fun. 260 00:13:47,083 --> 00:13:51,083 I've been there when these kids have been in Michael's room. 261 00:13:51,166 --> 00:13:54,166 I've been there with them. It's just party time. 262 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:57,208 They watch videos. They eat junk food. 263 00:13:57,291 --> 00:14:00,250 They play video games. 264 00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:03,458 They play so hard, they fall asleep. 265 00:14:03,542 --> 00:14:05,750 They're exhausted. They fall asleep. 266 00:14:05,834 --> 00:14:07,417 There's nothing more to it than that. 267 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:09,959 Man: From your standpoint, does it seem unusual 268 00:14:10,041 --> 00:14:13,917 for a 34-year-old man to have kids sleeping over? 269 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,959 Not when you know Michael's background. 270 00:14:16,041 --> 00:14:18,750 Under normal circumstances, possibly, yes. 271 00:14:18,834 --> 00:14:22,166 But Michael, everybody knows he didn't have a childhood. 272 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:25,959 Newsman: Soon, it will be Jackson's turn himself to respond to questions. 273 00:14:26,041 --> 00:14:29,542 The teen said that when they traveled together to Monaco last May, quote, 274 00:14:29,625 --> 00:14:32,875 "That's when the whole thing really got out of hand. 275 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,875 "He then masturbated me to climax. After that, 276 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:38,375 "Michael Jackson masturbated me many times 277 00:14:38,458 --> 00:14:40,583 both with his hand and with his mouth." 278 00:14:40,667 --> 00:14:43,125 Among the documents filed with the court were excerpts 279 00:14:43,208 --> 00:14:46,125 of depositions by several former Jackson employees, 280 00:14:46,208 --> 00:14:48,834 including Jackson's chauffeur, who said he dropped 281 00:14:48,917 --> 00:14:50,709 the entertainer off at the boy's house 282 00:14:50,792 --> 00:14:53,542 on overnight visits 30 days in a row. 283 00:14:53,625 --> 00:14:55,291 Also included was a deposition 284 00:14:55,375 --> 00:14:57,750 of former Jackson maid, Blanca Francia, 285 00:14:57,834 --> 00:15:00,583 who claims that at Jackson's Neverland Ranch, 286 00:15:00,667 --> 00:15:02,500 he has a closet within a closet 287 00:15:02,583 --> 00:15:05,625 in which he kept pictures and videotapes of children. 288 00:15:05,709 --> 00:15:08,000 She also claims to have seen Jackson naked 289 00:15:08,083 --> 00:15:10,375 with young boys on several occasions. 290 00:15:10,458 --> 00:15:13,667 Jackson publicly denied the allegations last week 291 00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:17,333 at the NAACP Image Awards in Pasadena. 292 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,375 Everyone is presumed to be innocent, and totally innocent, 293 00:15:20,458 --> 00:15:22,959 until they are charged with a crime, 294 00:15:23,041 --> 00:15:25,750 and then convicted by a jury of their peers. 295 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,458 James: He asked me to testify. 296 00:15:29,542 --> 00:15:32,667 There was like a pretrial, so I went to court. 297 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:35,792 I remember going in there, and... 298 00:15:37,125 --> 00:15:41,000 being very... robotic. 299 00:15:41,083 --> 00:15:43,709 I mean, I had, like I said, rehearsed it so much, 300 00:15:43,792 --> 00:15:46,250 that it was just going through the motions. 301 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:49,834 They asked, and, you know, I said no, of course. 302 00:15:52,041 --> 00:15:55,208 Just like part of my job... 303 00:15:55,291 --> 00:15:57,625 to, you know, to do that for Michael. 304 00:15:57,709 --> 00:16:01,667 He's a very, very nice, kind person. 305 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,166 He wouldn't hurt anybody. 306 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:07,250 He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. 307 00:16:07,875 --> 00:16:10,000 Like, I knew it was true... 308 00:16:11,917 --> 00:16:15,542 but I couldn't let myself go there, 309 00:16:15,625 --> 00:16:18,208 and it was just like Jordy... 310 00:16:19,125 --> 00:16:21,917 was the enemy. 311 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:27,542 Michael... told me that I had to lie. 312 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:31,834 And that's what I did. 313 00:16:31,917 --> 00:16:33,625 I lied. 314 00:16:33,709 --> 00:16:35,834 I know Michael very well. 315 00:16:35,917 --> 00:16:38,583 I know he wouldn't do anything like that. 316 00:16:38,917 --> 00:16:42,417 Woman: Has he ever tried to do anything with you 317 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:45,291 that would even be considered questionable? 318 00:16:45,375 --> 00:16:47,250 No, nothing. 319 00:16:47,709 --> 00:16:49,417 Nothing at all. Has never touched you? 320 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:52,208 - - Have you ever seen Michael naked? 321 00:16:52,291 --> 00:16:53,766 No. 322 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:56,917 There's a stunning development in the Michael Jackson story. 323 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,291 NBC News has confirmed that lawyers for the entertainer 324 00:17:00,375 --> 00:17:04,083 accused of sexually molesting a 14-year-old boy 325 00:17:04,166 --> 00:17:07,625 are now seeking an out-of-court settlement in that case, 326 00:17:07,709 --> 00:17:09,667 and that lawyers for both sides 327 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:12,208 are actively negotiating an agreement 328 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:13,875 which could be announced as soon as tomorrow. 329 00:17:13,959 --> 00:17:16,625 Jackson reportedly is prepared to pay 330 00:17:16,709 --> 00:17:19,709 at least $10 million to settle this case. 331 00:17:19,792 --> 00:17:22,583 I don't have any... 332 00:17:22,667 --> 00:17:27,208 guilt about... not being able to tell the truth. 333 00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:33,458 I had no choice but to say what I did in that deposition when I was 11. 334 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,375 That was what I had to say. 335 00:17:40,458 --> 00:17:42,375 We wish to jointly announce 336 00:17:42,458 --> 00:17:45,458 a mutual resolution of this lawsuit. 337 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,083 The resolution of this case 338 00:17:48,166 --> 00:17:49,875 is in no way 339 00:17:49,959 --> 00:17:52,583 an admission of guilt by Michael Jackson. 340 00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:54,834 Then, when they settled out of court, 341 00:17:54,917 --> 00:17:57,000 I asked him why he did that, 342 00:17:57,083 --> 00:17:59,166 and he said, "My attorney said 343 00:17:59,250 --> 00:18:02,792 "it would cost me more money to fight it, 344 00:18:02,875 --> 00:18:05,417 so it was better for me to settle it." 345 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:08,458 Newsman: The accuser settled the civil lawsuit against Jackson, 346 00:18:08,542 --> 00:18:12,083 reportedly for between five and 25 million dollars. 347 00:18:12,166 --> 00:18:14,166 Then they took that money. 348 00:18:15,291 --> 00:18:17,583 People said to me that just proves he's guilty. 349 00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:19,166 And I would say no. 350 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:24,250 That to me proves that all it was about all along was money. 351 00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:27,792 How much money would make it okay 352 00:18:27,875 --> 00:18:30,542 for your child to be abused? Ten million? No. 353 00:18:30,625 --> 00:18:32,583 Twenty million? Oh, maybe. 354 00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:36,709 I said, "To me, no amount of money would make that okay." 355 00:18:36,792 --> 00:18:39,667 If I thought that he had touched my son, 356 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:43,333 I would not stop till he was behind bars. 357 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:49,500 Stephanie: We wanted to buy another house, 358 00:18:49,583 --> 00:18:53,875 and Michael gave us a loan at a very low percentage rate. 359 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,500 My husband had already had a deposition. 360 00:18:58,583 --> 00:19:00,583 We were on Michael's camp. 361 00:19:00,667 --> 00:19:04,500 My son also for Michael. 362 00:19:04,583 --> 00:19:06,959 And after that was all said and done 363 00:19:07,041 --> 00:19:10,542 is when Michael forgave the debt. 364 00:19:10,625 --> 00:19:13,834 Michael said, "No, I don't want you to pay me anymore," 365 00:19:13,917 --> 00:19:16,125 um, "It's a gift." 366 00:19:16,208 --> 00:19:18,166 So, he did buy us a house. 367 00:19:18,250 --> 00:19:22,375 It's just coincidental, he wasn't buying us off, 368 00:19:22,458 --> 00:19:25,750 but the timing's right there. 369 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:27,917 Just sounds bad. 370 00:19:29,291 --> 00:19:30,766 Yeah. 371 00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:47,333 Wade: My mom and I went to Neverland 372 00:19:47,417 --> 00:19:50,083 soon after that for a few days. 373 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:54,417 You know, same sort of... physical scenario happened, 374 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:59,166 meaning Mom stayed in one of the rooms upstairs at Neverland, and... 375 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,792 and I went into Michael's room, and into Michael's bed, and... 376 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:09,041 and the same sexual stuff all happened again. 377 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:12,959 First hearing that, you know, that he wanted to see me, 378 00:20:13,041 --> 00:20:15,959 that he wanted me to come there felt so good. 379 00:20:16,792 --> 00:20:19,917 I'm back, like, we're coming back together. 380 00:20:23,834 --> 00:20:28,875 - Crowd: Michael! Michael! Michael! 381 00:20:34,709 --> 00:20:36,583 Michael! 382 00:20:36,667 --> 00:20:38,709 James: He would just call every once in a while. 383 00:20:38,792 --> 00:20:42,542 He gave me a car when I turned 16. 384 00:20:43,583 --> 00:20:44,834 I was very much into filmmaking, 385 00:20:44,917 --> 00:20:47,083 and I was doing my filmmaking classes, 386 00:20:47,166 --> 00:20:51,083 and Michael tells you that, "You don't need school. 387 00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:54,417 "Nobody who ever did anything good goes to school." 388 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,834 So, he'd say, "You don't need it. All you need is me." 389 00:20:57,917 --> 00:21:04,041 He very much said, you know, "You're gonna be like a little Spielberg." 390 00:21:05,667 --> 00:21:08,917 Michael would fund these short films, 391 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,333 and I made those all throughout high school. 392 00:21:12,417 --> 00:21:16,667 And I made a 35mm short film at Neverland. 393 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:20,458 And he talked to my parents 394 00:21:20,542 --> 00:21:23,083 'cause I was in some of the advanced classes, 395 00:21:23,166 --> 00:21:25,375 and he said, "You don't need math." 396 00:21:25,458 --> 00:21:29,250 So, he convinced my parents to pull me out of the classes, 397 00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:33,291 so that I can kind of don't have to worry about studying, 398 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,333 and just focus on filmmaking. 399 00:21:35,417 --> 00:21:39,375 And he would-- he'd tell them, "Don't worry. I'll be there." 400 00:21:39,458 --> 00:21:44,917 He very much is, like, making you depend on him. 401 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,250 Like, "Don't go get an education. 402 00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:49,458 Just... I'll take care of it." 403 00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:52,500 And then when he went away, it just kind of derailed, 404 00:21:52,583 --> 00:21:55,542 and I was pretty lost. 405 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:08,041 Well, it was apparently more than just a rumor. 406 00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:10,625 Press agents have now confirmed that Michael Jackson 407 00:22:10,709 --> 00:22:14,667 and Lisa Marie Presley are husband and wife. 408 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:17,166 Newswoman: The two say they denied their marriage for months 409 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:20,208 in an attempt to avoid the glare of the media. 410 00:22:20,291 --> 00:22:22,291 Mrs. Presley-Jackson issues a statement 411 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,583 saying she's very much in love with Michael 412 00:22:24,667 --> 00:22:26,917 and looks forward to raising a family. 413 00:22:28,625 --> 00:22:31,250 James: I remember Michael saying to me 414 00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:34,000 that he's gonna have to... 415 00:22:34,083 --> 00:22:37,750 have these public relationships with women, 416 00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,458 so that people don't think anything. 417 00:22:41,792 --> 00:22:44,417 He would always say he's gonna get married. 418 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:46,625 He said he'd have to go get married at some point, 419 00:22:46,709 --> 00:22:49,333 but that it wouldn't mean anything. 420 00:22:49,417 --> 00:22:52,875 Stephanie: So one day, I got a phone call from Michael. 421 00:22:52,959 --> 00:22:55,041 He said, "Stephanie, I'm not gonna be able 422 00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:57,000 to come over as often." 423 00:22:57,083 --> 00:22:58,792 It was a short phone call. 424 00:22:58,875 --> 00:23:02,750 Hung up, went to my husband and said, "We've just been dumped." 425 00:23:02,834 --> 00:23:06,041 Yeah, it was an emptiness. I loved him. 426 00:23:06,125 --> 00:23:08,542 He was one of my children, so it was a... 427 00:23:08,625 --> 00:23:11,959 a child leaving the home. 428 00:23:12,041 --> 00:23:13,875 That's how it felt. 429 00:23:18,542 --> 00:23:22,125 Wade: Again, I was seeing less of Michael. 430 00:23:23,083 --> 00:23:25,917 Still talking to him but less. 431 00:23:27,375 --> 00:23:29,542 Two to three times a year. 432 00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:33,583 Still, every time that I was physically with him 433 00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:36,959 and stayed the night with him anywhere, 434 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:39,375 the same sexual stuff happened. 435 00:23:43,875 --> 00:23:46,375 My dance world was kind of really building, 436 00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:49,208 and moving towards me being a choreographer. 437 00:23:51,291 --> 00:23:54,083 The dance studio that I had been going to for years, 438 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:56,583 I came to them and said I wanna teach. 439 00:23:56,667 --> 00:23:57,875 They gave me a shot, 440 00:23:57,959 --> 00:24:00,959 substituting for other teachers. 441 00:24:01,041 --> 00:24:02,917 They gave me my own class and really quickly, 442 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,917 that class became massive, packed. 443 00:24:07,792 --> 00:24:10,500 Michael was preparing 444 00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:14,291 for his HIStory world tour. 445 00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:19,625 I was... brought by Michael's driver 446 00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:23,500 to the dance studio, where Michael was rehearsing, 447 00:24:23,583 --> 00:24:27,280 for me to be able to watch rehearsal a little bit and hang out. 448 00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:33,166 And that night, he took me back, 449 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:35,417 with Michael back to the hotel. 450 00:24:43,792 --> 00:24:46,125 And so, I'm 14 at this point, and... 451 00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:49,417 I've had a major growth spurt. 452 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,125 I'm probably... 453 00:24:53,417 --> 00:24:54,667 five-eleven. 454 00:24:54,750 --> 00:25:00,834 So, the same or taller than Michael. 455 00:25:00,917 --> 00:25:04,083 Just a whole different physical vibe. 456 00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:12,500 And at some point in the night, 457 00:25:12,583 --> 00:25:16,333 you know, we slip back into the routine, 458 00:25:16,417 --> 00:25:20,166 the same sort of sexual stuff. 459 00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:25,709 And I don't remember how exactly it evolved to this, 460 00:25:25,792 --> 00:25:29,709 how it moved to this next stage, 461 00:25:31,959 --> 00:25:35,291 but what ended up happening is... 462 00:25:38,375 --> 00:25:41,458 Michael, tried to... 463 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:48,333 penetrate me, um, in my anus, with his penis. 464 00:25:53,458 --> 00:25:55,208 You know, trying for a while, 465 00:25:55,291 --> 00:25:58,542 and, I guess, was able to a bit, 466 00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:01,000 but it was really painful. 467 00:26:01,083 --> 00:26:03,959 And too painful for me, 468 00:26:04,041 --> 00:26:06,583 so, so he stopped. 469 00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:16,250 Yeah, I don't remember us, like, 470 00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:20,125 talking about it or anything like that, or... 471 00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:23,250 acting like... 472 00:26:23,333 --> 00:26:28,041 anything particularly different had happened. 473 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:30,583 I think after that, 474 00:26:30,667 --> 00:26:34,542 after it wasn't working, after it was too painful for me, 475 00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:40,542 we kind of went back to our regular sexual routine. 476 00:26:47,625 --> 00:26:49,417 The next morning, 477 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:53,667 Michael had like a recording session to prepare for. 478 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:58,291 He handed me some new, like, camera 479 00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:01,291 that he had gotten, that I could play with. 480 00:27:12,834 --> 00:27:16,792 I was dropped off by his driver, 481 00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:22,041 um, back to my condo in Hollywood. 482 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:25,291 And then, that afternoon, 483 00:27:25,375 --> 00:27:28,625 my mother receives a phone call 484 00:27:28,709 --> 00:27:31,667 from Michael's personal secretary 485 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:33,583 that Michael... 486 00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:36,500 wants to see Wade right away. 487 00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:44,667 I think I was picked up again by Michael's driver, 488 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:46,125 and brought to the dance studio 489 00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:48,417 where he was back in rehearsals. 490 00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:51,000 Right away, he just went right into it. 491 00:27:51,083 --> 00:27:54,458 He was kind of super nervous and said, 492 00:27:54,542 --> 00:28:01,250 "What did you do with your underwear from last night?" 493 00:28:03,417 --> 00:28:05,583 I said, "I don't know. I... 494 00:28:06,208 --> 00:28:08,250 "I don't know. I took them off and, you know, 495 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,750 showered and put new ones on." 496 00:28:10,834 --> 00:28:15,125 He said, "You gotta go home and find them.' 497 00:28:17,125 --> 00:28:20,291 "And I don't-- you know-- 498 00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:23,667 "I don't know if there's any, um, 499 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,583 "There might be some blood on them. 500 00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:33,166 If there is, you gotta get rid of them." 501 00:28:36,083 --> 00:28:38,959 Joy: How long does it take for you to get home? 502 00:28:41,291 --> 00:28:45,170 Wade: Got back in the car and he drove me back to the condo, and... 503 00:28:46,291 --> 00:28:49,458 luckily, not luckily, you know, I guess my mother hadn't... 504 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:52,815 found them, hadn't tried to clean them or anything yet. 505 00:28:55,709 --> 00:28:57,250 I found the underwear, and there was 506 00:28:57,333 --> 00:29:00,000 some drops of blood on the inside. 507 00:29:00,792 --> 00:29:03,000 Dan Reed: Your blood? -My blood. 508 00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:11,959 Wade: I... grabbed them, sort of stuffed them in my pocket, 509 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:14,291 down into the garage, 510 00:29:14,375 --> 00:29:17,000 and threw them in the bin. 511 00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:22,041 That was the last... 512 00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:29,125 sexual experience that I remember with Michael. 513 00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:36,125 Excuse me! 514 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,291 Newswoman: Wedding bells have rung again for Michael Jackson. 515 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,375 The superstar is on a working honeymoon this morning, 516 00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:59,208 with his new bride in Australia. 517 00:29:59,291 --> 00:30:02,000 Newsman: It's the first leg of his HIStory world tour, 518 00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:04,792 and Michael Jackson is mixing music with marriage 519 00:30:04,875 --> 00:30:06,458 in Sydney, Australia. 520 00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:07,917 The Gloved One giving his hand 521 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,125 to longtime friend, Debbie Rowe, 522 00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:13,602 who also happens to be six months pregnant with his baby. 523 00:30:18,458 --> 00:30:21,333 Wade: Somewhere in 2001 or 2002, 524 00:30:21,417 --> 00:30:23,792 I think some desire started 525 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:26,250 building in me to, 526 00:30:26,333 --> 00:30:29,959 want to try and connect with Dad more. 527 00:30:31,583 --> 00:30:33,667 And we had a couple of phone conversations 528 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:36,166 when he was still in Australia. 529 00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:39,083 He told me some stories of his life and... 530 00:30:39,166 --> 00:30:43,500 and, I don't know, it felt like the beginning of something. 531 00:30:50,041 --> 00:30:53,011 Shane: I had moved from Brisbane to the Gold Coast. 532 00:30:53,709 --> 00:30:55,000 He was living down the coast, 533 00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:58,083 so I was seeing him a little bit more often. 534 00:30:58,166 --> 00:30:59,917 We would meet and, like, go to a pub 535 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,625 and play some pool and talk. 536 00:31:03,709 --> 00:31:06,625 I don't know if he was even working at that point. 537 00:31:06,709 --> 00:31:09,792 You know, he didn't really have any much money. 538 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,917 You know, I think he was probably just living on, 539 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,959 you know, like the government kind of handout. 540 00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:19,250 He'd kind of gone downhill. 541 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:25,125 Wade: I would see my dad usually about... 542 00:31:25,834 --> 00:31:27,542 maybe every two years. 543 00:31:27,625 --> 00:31:31,417 And his mental and emotional state 544 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:35,500 just really continued to degrade over the years. 545 00:31:37,375 --> 00:31:42,125 He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. 546 00:31:43,583 --> 00:31:48,250 He was doing things like disappearing in the night and, 547 00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:53,917 and going on walks through the city, through LA. 548 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,625 And catching buses, and, and we'd have to find him. 549 00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:02,291 Shane: You know, I think it kind of scared 550 00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:04,083 Wade a little bit, and... 551 00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:08,917 and Chantal, which didn't help their relationship at all. 552 00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:13,041 Wade: I mean, I think it terrified me, 553 00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:14,917 but my reaction to it 554 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,959 was just to get angry. 555 00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:19,625 And like, I just wanted him to go. 556 00:32:19,709 --> 00:32:22,500 Dennis: Should we go on, continue? 557 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:27,000 Chantal: Wade really pushed my dad away. 558 00:32:29,583 --> 00:32:31,500 He didn't understand why he had to... 559 00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:34,291 to understand him 'cause he didn't even know him really. 560 00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:38,542 You know, didn't feel that he needed this person in his life. 561 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:43,041 Joy: We talked a lot, and at some point, he said to me, 562 00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:45,041 "Don't you ever let anybody tell you 563 00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:47,458 that you did the wrong thing." 564 00:32:47,542 --> 00:32:51,125 He said, "You did the right thing for Wade, 565 00:32:51,208 --> 00:32:52,917 and it was the right thing for me." 566 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,959 He said, "I learned to stand on my own two feet. 567 00:32:56,041 --> 00:32:58,458 "I was so dependent on you, 568 00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:00,542 "and I had to learn to live without you, 569 00:33:00,625 --> 00:33:03,375 and stand on my own two feet." So, he did... 570 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:07,500 he did rise above it for a while. 571 00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:11,542 It's only when Shane left that, um... 572 00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:14,667 he couldn't cope anymore. 573 00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:23,346 Shane: At that point, I didn't know if I was leaving for good. 574 00:33:23,917 --> 00:33:25,834 I said, "I'm taking six months off 575 00:33:25,917 --> 00:33:28,039 to go and hang out with the family." 576 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,125 The day that I left, 577 00:33:32,208 --> 00:33:36,333 my grandparents, his mom and dad, and Dad, 578 00:33:36,417 --> 00:33:40,250 came over to say goodbye before I headed to the airport. 579 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:45,667 And I remember Dad didn't say a word. 580 00:33:46,083 --> 00:33:48,917 Not-- just, nothing at all. He was just... 581 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,333 kind of like a statue. 582 00:33:50,417 --> 00:33:54,291 Kind of just staring off in the distance and, um... 583 00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:57,250 and then I remember, like, 584 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,208 saying goodbye and giving him a hug, 585 00:34:00,834 --> 00:34:04,458 and I don't-- I don't even think he hugged me. 586 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,291 I think he just stood there while I hugged him. 587 00:34:06,375 --> 00:34:09,583 He was just, you know, like... 588 00:34:10,417 --> 00:34:13,387 you know, the lights were on, but no one was home. 589 00:34:28,583 --> 00:34:32,834 I feel like I'd been here for a day, maybe. 590 00:34:33,959 --> 00:34:37,083 Mom was driving around in the car. 591 00:34:37,166 --> 00:34:40,417 I get a phone call, and it was... 592 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,583 like, my girlfriend at the time, 593 00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:45,166 from Australia. 594 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,000 And she was a police officer as well. 595 00:34:48,834 --> 00:34:51,417 And she called me and said, 596 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:56,417 You know, "Sorry, Shane, but your dad's dead." 597 00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:01,667 The day that he left, his father hung himself. 598 00:35:05,834 --> 00:35:09,375 I think my response was just anger, at first. 599 00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:14,959 "You asshole." Basically, I was kind of pissed off. 600 00:35:15,041 --> 00:35:18,375 He had hung himself... in his apartment. 601 00:35:20,417 --> 00:35:22,583 His mom and dad found him. 602 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:32,125 - Wade: I was... in a recording session. 603 00:35:32,208 --> 00:35:36,083 I was writing and producing some music for a pop group. 604 00:35:36,166 --> 00:35:38,750 Got out of the recording session, went to my car, 605 00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:44,709 and I had all these kind of missed calls from my mother. 606 00:35:44,792 --> 00:35:46,834 She told me... 607 00:35:50,125 --> 00:35:52,208 "Your dad died." 608 00:35:52,291 --> 00:35:54,166 I brought all the children in-- 609 00:35:54,250 --> 00:35:56,458 home for the night, and we stayed up all night, 610 00:35:56,542 --> 00:35:59,959 and we laughed and we cried and we laughed and we cried. 611 00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:03,959 But then, from... 612 00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:06,709 I think, the next day... 613 00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:13,000 I don't know, I felt like I just started 614 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:15,417 stitching myself up again already. 615 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,625 One, two, three, four. 616 00:36:28,041 --> 00:36:30,500 Wade: I mean, after the funeral was done, and we went back 617 00:36:30,583 --> 00:36:33,000 to Los Angeles, 618 00:36:33,083 --> 00:36:35,667 I just went back to the business of moving on, 619 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:38,417 and getting back to work. 620 00:36:42,709 --> 00:36:46,500 Wade: At 17, with 'NSYNC, I directed what I think, 621 00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:49,208 at the time, was considered the largest tour, 622 00:36:49,291 --> 00:36:52,564 I mean, just in scale, the size that had ever happened. 623 00:36:58,959 --> 00:37:02,000 You might not have heard of Wade Robson, but right now, 624 00:37:02,083 --> 00:37:04,792 he's one of the biggest names in world music. 625 00:37:04,875 --> 00:37:07,208 The Queensland-born 19-year-old 626 00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:08,875 has found fame and fortune 627 00:37:08,959 --> 00:37:11,583 as the most sought-after hit-maker in America. 628 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:14,875 The creative force behind pop star Britney Spears 629 00:37:14,959 --> 00:37:16,500 and boy band 'NSYNC. 630 00:37:16,583 --> 00:37:20,709 Newswoman: At 16, after the family had moved to LA, 631 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,583 he started choreographing Britney Spears. 632 00:37:23,667 --> 00:37:27,208 She was so impressed, she asked him to take creative control 633 00:37:27,291 --> 00:37:29,625 of every facet of her worldwide 634 00:37:29,709 --> 00:37:32,125 Dream Within A Dream tour. 635 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:34,250 She works real hard, so that's important. 636 00:37:34,333 --> 00:37:38,083 And I'm a workaholic, and a slave driver, you know. 637 00:37:38,166 --> 00:37:41,375 But she's willing to put in the work, so that's always... 638 00:37:41,458 --> 00:37:43,083 that always helps. Um... 639 00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:45,625 Newswoman: You're probably every guy's hero, you know that? 640 00:37:45,709 --> 00:37:47,166 I guess so. 641 00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:49,125 Thank you so much, Little Rock. 642 00:37:49,208 --> 00:37:52,208 You've been such a wonderful audience! 643 00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:56,125 Wade: Michael had some sort of obsession with Britney. 644 00:37:57,375 --> 00:38:01,125 And he would call me, and he'd wanna know, 645 00:38:01,208 --> 00:38:04,083 um, you know, what it was like working with her, 646 00:38:04,166 --> 00:38:06,542 and what she was like, and, 647 00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:08,792 "Isn't she sexy? Isn't she beautiful?" 648 00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:10,500 One and two and three and... 649 00:38:10,583 --> 00:38:14,083 Wondering if I can set up, like, a way for them to meet. 650 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:18,208 And in those conversations, as well, Michael was really... 651 00:38:19,291 --> 00:38:25,250 interested in my... sexual life with girls. 652 00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:31,375 I remember that being just really weird, 653 00:38:31,458 --> 00:38:36,750 considering Michael and I's whole sexual history. 654 00:38:36,834 --> 00:38:39,792 It was a weird pull 'cause while at the same time, 655 00:38:39,875 --> 00:38:44,166 I mean, I still... loved him deeply. 656 00:38:46,083 --> 00:38:50,959 Maybe one day, I was gonna be the friend 657 00:38:51,041 --> 00:38:55,250 for him that he could have a real, honest, 658 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,083 vulnerable conversation with. 659 00:38:58,166 --> 00:39:01,458 The one person that he could really be real with. 660 00:39:16,125 --> 00:39:19,750 My name is Laura Primack, and I am James's wife. 661 00:39:19,834 --> 00:39:22,709 I grew up in the suburbs outside of Chicago. 662 00:39:22,792 --> 00:39:24,166 I went to college on the East Coast. 663 00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:27,083 I went to an art school in Rhode Island, and... 664 00:39:27,166 --> 00:39:29,834 afterwards, I thought, before I settle back home, 665 00:39:29,917 --> 00:39:31,675 I should try the other coast. 666 00:39:34,542 --> 00:39:38,375 There was a dive bar very close to my apartment in Hollywood. 667 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:43,375 And I would go there on almost a nightly basis. 668 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,333 One night, a girlfriend of mine said 669 00:39:51,417 --> 00:39:53,875 she wanted to go there 'cause she had a crush 670 00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:57,750 on a guy in the band, which was actually James. 671 00:40:03,125 --> 00:40:05,166 He was in a band called Skylab. 672 00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:07,208 The singer was British, 673 00:40:07,291 --> 00:40:09,959 and the music was kind of like Smashing Pumpkins 674 00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:11,834 or Radiohead and, um, 675 00:40:11,917 --> 00:40:13,083 they were really fun to watch. 676 00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:15,250 They were really good performers. 677 00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:22,250 So, I went to the bar to meet her, 678 00:40:22,333 --> 00:40:25,542 and she ended up falling ill, didn't come. 679 00:40:25,625 --> 00:40:28,208 So, when James's band was up at the bar, buying drinks, 680 00:40:28,291 --> 00:40:31,000 I decided to go up and introduce myself. 681 00:40:32,834 --> 00:40:34,583 I mean, he looked the part. He looked awesome, 682 00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:36,583 but the first thing he said when I told him I was there 683 00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:38,709 to see him 'cause my friend thought he was cute was, 684 00:40:38,792 --> 00:40:41,667 "I don't think you're talking about me." 685 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:44,750 He seemed so wholeheartedly 686 00:40:44,834 --> 00:40:47,792 modest and humble and-- It just caught me off guard 687 00:40:47,875 --> 00:40:51,792 'cause that's not what I had experienced in Los Angeles so far. 688 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:02,917 James: She was really sweet, 689 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,375 and, um, she's very upbeat. 690 00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:09,041 She just turned out to be a great person, 691 00:41:09,125 --> 00:41:10,834 so I got lucky. 692 00:41:10,917 --> 00:41:14,583 Laura: I think the first night that I went to his house, 693 00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:16,959 um, it was late at night. 694 00:41:17,041 --> 00:41:19,834 He probably had a band practice, so maybe I got there at 11:00, 695 00:41:19,917 --> 00:41:22,709 but he had candies on the side of the bed, 696 00:41:22,792 --> 00:41:24,834 and an intention that we were gonna watch Harry Potter. 697 00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:27,875 I mean, that was his, like, "Come on over we'll have a date night thing." 698 00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:31,250 And I thought the fact that he had just bought me candies was adorable. 699 00:41:31,333 --> 00:41:33,083 So, I think we moved in together about 700 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:35,166 six months after we'd started dating. 701 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:36,792 I think right around that time, too, 702 00:41:36,875 --> 00:41:40,834 James had been taking art classes at a local art school 703 00:41:40,917 --> 00:41:43,333 and doing his homework in our office. 704 00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:46,542 And at that point, we were growing, we needed more help, 705 00:41:46,625 --> 00:41:49,709 and our owner said, "Why don't come in and work with us?" 706 00:41:49,792 --> 00:41:51,834 So, we went from dating, to living together, 707 00:41:51,917 --> 00:41:53,667 to living together and working together, 708 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:56,458 so it got very intense very quick 709 00:41:56,542 --> 00:41:59,000 when you combine all those things. 710 00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:01,000 It was a pretty traditional start. 711 00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:03,375 That's not to say that, um, 712 00:42:03,458 --> 00:42:05,625 there weren't ups and downs, but from my perspective, 713 00:42:05,709 --> 00:42:09,528 they were the kinds of ups and downs that most relationships had. 714 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:18,917 James: Secrets will eat you up. 715 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,291 It sucks life out of you, 716 00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:25,750 just deteriorates you from the inside. 717 00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:29,041 Like a part of you is dead. 718 00:42:29,125 --> 00:42:31,208 It kind of took everything I had 719 00:42:31,291 --> 00:42:34,375 to function during the day, 720 00:42:34,458 --> 00:42:37,917 to let other people see me as a functioning person. 721 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,250 So, it took a lot of effort to... 722 00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:46,750 to keep it together. 723 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,625 And then, I would go home and... and be a wreck. 724 00:42:51,709 --> 00:42:55,166 And it was hard-- I'm sure it was hard on my wife. 725 00:43:01,417 --> 00:43:05,625 Laura: You know, James had a lot of... personality quirks. 726 00:43:05,709 --> 00:43:07,291 You know, he'd go through 727 00:43:07,375 --> 00:43:09,875 bouts where he just wanted to stay in bed all weekend 728 00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:12,917 and watch TV, or, um... 729 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,834 you know, be a little bit more antisocial. 730 00:43:14,917 --> 00:43:19,166 But, for me, especially 'cause I know that I am a people person, I-- 731 00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:21,625 a lot of these things, I just assumed were what it's like 732 00:43:21,709 --> 00:43:23,083 when you're not a people person. 733 00:43:23,166 --> 00:43:26,000 I loved it. I mean, from my perspective, 734 00:43:26,083 --> 00:43:28,250 "Oh, let's stay in and cuddle and watch movies, 735 00:43:28,333 --> 00:43:30,417 and be in the dark and never leave the house." 736 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:32,917 And then, you know, maybe after the first year, I was like, 737 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,583 "Well, should we just go to Target and get groceries, or do something?" 738 00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:41,000 Later on, as it didn't really go away, it-- 739 00:43:41,083 --> 00:43:44,720 you know, it could get a little bit more boring or confusing. 740 00:43:46,041 --> 00:43:48,542 James: I couldn't sleep, and... 741 00:43:48,625 --> 00:43:51,917 I would have just panic attacks about 742 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,166 things that shouldn't give me panic attacks, and... 743 00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:58,959 One of the weird things is not liking yourself and not knowing why. 744 00:43:59,041 --> 00:44:03,542 Like, I didn't know why I had these problems 745 00:44:03,625 --> 00:44:05,583 or felt these ways. 746 00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:08,417 Constant anxiety and... 747 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,667 and then depression and... 748 00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:15,458 not knowing why you're like that. 749 00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:21,458 When I was in my early 20s, I did a lot of... 750 00:44:21,542 --> 00:44:26,792 substances to help deal with it. 751 00:44:26,875 --> 00:44:30,209 At the time, I didn't know that that's what I was doing. 752 00:44:30,917 --> 00:44:34,750 But then, when I got off the substances, 753 00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:37,166 and there was nothing to mask it, 754 00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:39,250 was when I was... 755 00:44:40,917 --> 00:44:46,709 really noticed that I was anxious all the time. 756 00:44:51,458 --> 00:44:54,792 Amanda: How the hell did you get up there? 757 00:44:54,875 --> 00:44:56,959 Oh, baby. 758 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:59,458 Wade: It's pretty. 759 00:45:00,875 --> 00:45:04,917 My name is Amanda Robson, and I am Wade's wife. 760 00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:09,375 Wade and I met at a nightclub, 761 00:45:09,458 --> 00:45:12,542 and I was working as a promoter there. 762 00:45:12,625 --> 00:45:15,375 My girlfriend and I were just like totally 763 00:45:15,458 --> 00:45:17,041 playing around on the dance floor, 764 00:45:17,125 --> 00:45:19,041 dancing very goofy. 765 00:45:19,125 --> 00:45:22,000 And Wade and his friends, 766 00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:24,750 kind of like, jokingly 767 00:45:24,834 --> 00:45:27,583 called us out to do like a little battle, 768 00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:30,625 which I didn't know who Wade was at the time. 769 00:45:32,166 --> 00:45:34,375 This huge crowd 770 00:45:34,458 --> 00:45:37,208 began to form around us, 771 00:45:37,291 --> 00:45:40,417 and then Wade and his friends went into this 772 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,834 full-on choreographed routine 773 00:45:42,917 --> 00:45:46,709 and made us look really ridiculous. 774 00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:54,834 My girlfriend that I was at the club with 775 00:45:54,917 --> 00:45:57,375 was like, "Do you know who that is? That's 776 00:45:57,458 --> 00:46:00,792 Wade Robson, 'NSYNC's choreographer," 777 00:46:00,875 --> 00:46:05,166 and, you know, thought it was very cool. 778 00:46:06,083 --> 00:46:08,333 And I thought he was a total asshole. 779 00:46:08,417 --> 00:46:10,917 He was 19, 780 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,125 and I was 22. 781 00:46:13,208 --> 00:46:15,000 On our first date, 782 00:46:15,083 --> 00:46:17,083 I remember him, um, 783 00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:19,542 you know, mentioning Michael Jackson was 784 00:46:19,625 --> 00:46:24,792 a huge part of why they came over from Australia, 785 00:46:24,875 --> 00:46:27,291 and that Michael was his 786 00:46:27,375 --> 00:46:30,667 teacher and role model. 787 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:33,667 It was like, wow, that sounds really intense. 788 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:35,750 That's what it sounded like to me. 789 00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:45,291 Wade: I had really started a whole new aspect 790 00:46:45,375 --> 00:46:48,917 of my adult life with Amanda. 791 00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:58,917 She'd, you know, been this incredible breath 792 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,333 of fresh air to me. 793 00:47:05,625 --> 00:47:09,333 And her perspective on life, 794 00:47:09,417 --> 00:47:13,375 what life meant to her, what relationships meant to her 795 00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:15,959 was just so clear. 796 00:47:30,625 --> 00:47:32,000 Good afternoon. I'm Ken Shemwell, 797 00:47:32,083 --> 00:47:34,291 undersheriff, Santa Barbara County. 798 00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:37,083 In June of 2003, 799 00:47:37,166 --> 00:47:39,500 the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department 800 00:47:39,583 --> 00:47:41,875 received information that a 13-year-old boy 801 00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:44,917 was a possible victim of lewd acts. 802 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,375 The allegation claimed that entertainer Michael Jackson 803 00:47:48,458 --> 00:47:51,750 had engaged in these activities with the victim 804 00:47:51,834 --> 00:47:54,083 while a guest at the Neverland Ranch. 805 00:47:54,166 --> 00:47:56,333 Is the manager here? 806 00:47:56,417 --> 00:47:58,041 Manager? -Manager. 807 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:01,041 Man: I'm gonna get a uniform for you. Man 2: Okay. 808 00:48:01,125 --> 00:48:03,375 We got... 809 00:48:03,458 --> 00:48:05,125 Spokesman: This morning, investigators 810 00:48:05,208 --> 00:48:07,083 effected the service of a search warrant 811 00:48:07,166 --> 00:48:08,985 as a part of an investigation. 812 00:48:11,792 --> 00:48:15,709 An arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson has been issued 813 00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:18,333 on multiple counts of child molestation. 814 00:48:19,041 --> 00:48:23,375 Boom, there's these new allegations. 815 00:48:25,333 --> 00:48:28,375 And all of this craziness unfolds, 816 00:48:28,458 --> 00:48:30,792 I mean, that I see via the news. 817 00:48:35,917 --> 00:48:38,250 Good day, everyone. Pop star Michael Jackson 818 00:48:38,333 --> 00:48:40,959 is now under arrest, and, at this hour, is in the custody 819 00:48:41,041 --> 00:48:44,132 of a Santa Barbara, California Sheriff's department. 820 00:48:44,667 --> 00:48:49,750 Michael in handcuffs was, painful to see. 821 00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:52,208 Newsman: When Michael Jackson was arrested, 822 00:48:52,291 --> 00:48:54,583 his mugshot was taken, he was fingerprinted, 823 00:48:54,667 --> 00:48:56,083 he gave up his passport, 824 00:48:56,166 --> 00:48:58,250 and he was released on $3 million bond. 825 00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:04,625 His lawyer called the charges that could send Jackson away to prison for years a big lie. 826 00:49:04,709 --> 00:49:05,959 If anybody doesn't think, 827 00:49:06,041 --> 00:49:08,166 based upon what's happened so far, 828 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:09,834 that the true motivation 829 00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,125 of these charges and these allegations 830 00:49:12,208 --> 00:49:15,291 is anything but money, and the seeking of money, 831 00:49:15,375 --> 00:49:17,333 then they're living in their own Neverland. 832 00:49:17,417 --> 00:49:20,083 Newswoman: Jackson faces nine charges total, 833 00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:23,333 seven for committing a lewd act on a child under 14, 834 00:49:23,417 --> 00:49:25,250 and two for giving the child 835 00:49:25,333 --> 00:49:28,959 an intoxicating agent for the purpose of molestation. 836 00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:33,166 We will land on you like a ton of bricks. 837 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:35,875 We will land on you like a hammer. 838 00:49:35,959 --> 00:49:37,792 If you do anything 839 00:49:37,875 --> 00:49:40,625 to besmirch this man's reputation, 840 00:49:40,709 --> 00:49:44,500 we will unleash a legal torrent like you've never seen. 841 00:49:44,583 --> 00:49:45,834 We will demand... 842 00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:47,792 James: Michael called, 843 00:49:47,875 --> 00:49:51,333 and I hadn't talked to him in a really long time. 844 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:56,125 And I had known of the trial, so... 845 00:49:57,709 --> 00:50:01,959 I kind of saw the pattern from before happen again. 846 00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:06,667 He called my parents, 847 00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:10,417 and tried to convince them to... 848 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,750 testify for him and get involved. 849 00:50:14,792 --> 00:50:17,959 And my dad was very much 850 00:50:18,041 --> 00:50:20,750 like, back to, "Let's protect Michael." 851 00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:25,834 Michael could do no wrong in my husband's eyes. 852 00:50:25,917 --> 00:50:30,166 He felt what Michael did for the world made the world happy-- 853 00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:34,667 all his songs about peace and love in the world. 854 00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:39,291 That's how my husband saw Michael-- the songs he sang. 855 00:50:40,625 --> 00:50:44,000 And he truly believed it. 856 00:50:55,458 --> 00:50:58,625 Stephanie: I absolutely didn't believe the first time. 857 00:50:58,709 --> 00:51:02,208 It was wrong. It was the father's greed. 858 00:51:02,291 --> 00:51:04,542 And then the second time, 859 00:51:04,625 --> 00:51:06,792 I started to question it in my head. 860 00:51:06,875 --> 00:51:09,750 Newswoman: The accuser is reportedly a 12-year-old boy, 861 00:51:09,834 --> 00:51:11,375 befriended by Jackson. 862 00:51:11,458 --> 00:51:13,333 The child is described in reports 863 00:51:13,417 --> 00:51:15,542 as having met Jackson through a charity 864 00:51:15,625 --> 00:51:18,083 that grants wishes for ill children. 865 00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:22,333 Joy: We didn't know this boy at all. 866 00:51:22,417 --> 00:51:26,875 This was during a period where we really didn't have much to do with Michael. 867 00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:28,875 Once again, I thought, you know, this is a kid 868 00:51:28,959 --> 00:51:32,083 who was suffering from cancer, and I thought, 869 00:51:32,166 --> 00:51:34,500 defending Michael, this was just another case 870 00:51:34,583 --> 00:51:38,208 where Michael's probably paying for all his medical bills, 871 00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:41,500 and these people are taking advantage of it. 872 00:51:42,583 --> 00:51:44,792 That information about Gavin's mother, 873 00:51:44,875 --> 00:51:46,834 she had been arrested for shoplifting, 874 00:51:46,917 --> 00:51:48,875 and she had blamed the security people. 875 00:51:48,959 --> 00:51:51,166 There was a big thing about that. 876 00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:55,000 They spin information against the parents. 877 00:51:55,834 --> 00:51:57,458 I believed it all. 878 00:51:57,542 --> 00:52:01,291 He said that he wanted to show me how to masturbate. 879 00:52:01,375 --> 00:52:04,224 Sheriff: He wanted to show you how to masturbate? 880 00:52:04,542 --> 00:52:07,391 Sheriff: Okay. -Gavin: Yeah, and then I said no. 881 00:52:09,291 --> 00:52:11,417 And then he said he could do it for me. 882 00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:12,975 Okay. 883 00:52:14,709 --> 00:52:16,709 And did he do it for you? 884 00:52:24,709 --> 00:52:26,875 Go ahead, Gavin. It's fine. 885 00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:30,291 He put his hand in my pants. 886 00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:32,458 Did he put it on the outside? 887 00:52:32,542 --> 00:52:34,208 Inside. -Inside? 888 00:52:34,291 --> 00:52:36,083 What did he do next? 889 00:52:36,166 --> 00:52:38,709 He started... masturbating me. 890 00:52:39,458 --> 00:52:41,166 Okay. 891 00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:42,725 Yeah. 892 00:52:43,917 --> 00:52:46,709 I told him I didn't want to do that. 893 00:52:46,792 --> 00:52:49,333 Did he stop? -I told him not to. 894 00:52:49,417 --> 00:52:51,667 He kept on doing it. 895 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:54,417 In the time that I was with Wade... 896 00:52:56,583 --> 00:52:59,917 you know, he didn't hear from Michael a whole lot. 897 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,583 Michael all of a sudden started to, um, 898 00:53:05,417 --> 00:53:08,792 was starting to communicate with Wade a whole bunch and reaching out to him. 899 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,709 But it was like, everyday. 900 00:53:11,792 --> 00:53:14,041 The first conversation 901 00:53:14,125 --> 00:53:18,083 after he was arrested was like... 902 00:53:20,417 --> 00:53:23,083 a continuation, like picking right back up 903 00:53:23,166 --> 00:53:27,375 from the phone conversations when I was 11, 904 00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:31,375 and the Jordy Chandler investigation was going on. 905 00:53:31,458 --> 00:53:34,750 "Here they are again, trying to take me down. 906 00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:38,208 These evil people." 907 00:53:43,083 --> 00:53:46,750 I would like to thank the fans around the world... 908 00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:48,208 Man: Can you speak up, please? 909 00:53:48,291 --> 00:53:51,125 I would like to thank the fans around the world 910 00:53:51,792 --> 00:53:54,792 for your love and your support, from every corner of the Earth. 911 00:53:54,875 --> 00:53:56,667 My family, who's been very supportive. 912 00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:59,375 My brother Randy, who's been incredible. 913 00:53:59,458 --> 00:54:02,208 I wanna thank the community of Santa Maria. 914 00:54:02,291 --> 00:54:04,583 I want you to know that I... 915 00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:07,542 I love the community of Santa Maria very much. 916 00:54:08,375 --> 00:54:11,375 It's my community. I love the people. 917 00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:13,500 I will always love the people. My children were born 918 00:54:13,583 --> 00:54:16,208 in this community. My home is in this community. 919 00:54:16,291 --> 00:54:17,667 I will always love this community 920 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:19,166 from the bottom of my heart. 921 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:21,917 That's why I moved here. Thank you very much. 922 00:54:23,834 --> 00:54:28,000 Wade: So, I was 21 or 22 at this point, 923 00:54:28,083 --> 00:54:31,417 and I really did not wanna go through this again. 924 00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:33,834 I did not wanna testify. 925 00:54:33,917 --> 00:54:37,500 So, at some point, I worked up the courage 926 00:54:37,583 --> 00:54:41,792 to tell Michael that I don't wanna testify. 927 00:54:42,375 --> 00:54:46,208 I remember silence on the phone for a while. 928 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:50,959 He said, "You know, I... 929 00:54:51,041 --> 00:54:55,583 "You know, I understand. I understand it's really hard and it's... 930 00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:59,667 "it's tough to go through this with all of the media and everything. 931 00:55:02,208 --> 00:55:06,333 "Yeah, but, you know, we can't let them do this to us. 932 00:55:08,166 --> 00:55:10,375 We can't let them take us down." 933 00:55:11,834 --> 00:55:14,500 Us, us, us, you know? 934 00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:19,000 I was kind of breaking, like, 935 00:55:19,083 --> 00:55:21,250 having a nervous breakdown. 936 00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:23,875 And I didn't wanna be involved. 937 00:55:23,959 --> 00:55:26,125 And so I told my mom... 938 00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:30,875 then that he wasn't a good person. 939 00:55:33,208 --> 00:55:34,792 And that, um... 940 00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:37,375 I don't want them involved. 941 00:55:39,583 --> 00:55:41,583 So, that was tough. 942 00:55:44,625 --> 00:55:47,333 Stephanie: Jimmy was over, and he said to me, 943 00:55:47,417 --> 00:55:50,041 "Michael's an evil man." 944 00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:52,709 And I just said okay. 945 00:55:52,792 --> 00:55:57,500 And... I stood up and I hugged him. 946 00:55:57,583 --> 00:56:00,166 And, "Do you wanna go to-- Do you wanna go get help?" 947 00:56:00,250 --> 00:56:03,208 "Oh, no, no, Mom! And you can't tell anybody! 948 00:56:03,291 --> 00:56:05,583 You can't--" He was so afraid 949 00:56:05,667 --> 00:56:08,333 that I would tell somebody. 950 00:56:08,417 --> 00:56:11,000 Super scared, like... 951 00:56:11,083 --> 00:56:12,750 like a nervous-breakdown scared. 952 00:56:12,834 --> 00:56:16,625 It was a begging sort of, "You can't tell anybody!" 953 00:56:16,709 --> 00:56:19,542 "I promise that. I promise I won't tell anybody." 954 00:56:19,625 --> 00:56:23,625 And I felt that I had fucked up so much the first time, 955 00:56:23,709 --> 00:56:27,834 that I wasn't the mother that I should've been, guarding him, 956 00:56:27,917 --> 00:56:30,500 that he's come to me with this truth 957 00:56:30,583 --> 00:56:33,709 that's killing him right now, 958 00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:36,208 I wasn't gonna tell anybody. 959 00:56:36,291 --> 00:56:38,917 I could be there for him now. 960 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,583 I didn't talk with her really about it. 961 00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:44,709 I couldn't talk about it. 962 00:56:44,792 --> 00:56:49,291 I just said enough to, like, not get them involved. 963 00:56:50,834 --> 00:56:53,709 And she never... pushed. 964 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,750 Newsman: For once in his life, Michael Jackson 965 00:56:57,834 --> 00:56:59,625 was not the center of attention, 966 00:56:59,709 --> 00:57:03,291 even though this has been a crucial day in his trial. 967 00:57:03,375 --> 00:57:05,375 The focus instead was on the defense's 968 00:57:05,458 --> 00:57:08,291 first celebrity witness, the actor Macaulay Culkin. 969 00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:11,041 The prosecution had suggested 970 00:57:11,125 --> 00:57:14,917 that in the early 1990s, he was one of a number of young boys 971 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,959 who'd been sexually abused by Jackson. 972 00:57:19,166 --> 00:57:22,750 Actually, Wade had asked me not to testify, that's how it started. 973 00:57:22,834 --> 00:57:25,000 He came to me and said, 974 00:57:25,083 --> 00:57:27,083 "I do not want you to testify this time. 975 00:57:27,166 --> 00:57:29,417 I'm not going to either." 976 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,792 And he said, "Just-- You know, I don't wanna 977 00:57:31,875 --> 00:57:33,750 go through all that again. I've had enough." 978 00:57:33,834 --> 00:57:36,667 I said, "Well, okay, I'm gonna ask you as an adult now." 979 00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:39,417 He was 21 at this point. I said, "I haven't asked you this 980 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,625 "for many, many years, since you were a child. 981 00:57:41,709 --> 00:57:44,000 "But I'm gonna ask you one more time, as an adult. 982 00:57:44,083 --> 00:57:47,959 Did Michael ever do anything inappropriate with you?" 983 00:57:48,041 --> 00:57:51,458 And he, once again, looked me in the eye and said, "No. 984 00:57:51,542 --> 00:57:53,458 He never did." 985 00:57:53,542 --> 00:57:54,875 I said, "So..." 986 00:57:54,959 --> 00:57:57,000 I said, "I think you need to testify. 987 00:57:57,083 --> 00:57:58,291 This is your friend." 988 00:57:58,375 --> 00:58:00,542 And I said, "I think at this point, 989 00:58:00,625 --> 00:58:02,083 "you and Macaulay Culkin are probably 990 00:58:02,166 --> 00:58:05,375 "the only two people in the world who can save him. 991 00:58:05,458 --> 00:58:06,834 "And if Michael goes to prison, 992 00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:09,125 he won't survive prison, you know that." 993 00:58:09,208 --> 00:58:11,792 Like, I would have dreams and-- 994 00:58:11,875 --> 00:58:14,333 of Michael being in jail 995 00:58:14,417 --> 00:58:16,625 and being killed in jail, 996 00:58:16,709 --> 00:58:19,834 or dying in jail. I mean, just like... 997 00:58:19,917 --> 00:58:23,291 Those two things, Michael Jackson and jail, 998 00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:26,041 just did not go together for me. 999 00:58:26,125 --> 00:58:31,458 I mean, I still... loved him deeply, you know? 1000 00:58:31,542 --> 00:58:34,166 Newsman: Macaulay Culkin almost single-handedly 1001 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,417 devastated and shook the foundation 1002 00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:40,500 of the prosecution's pattern evidence against Michael Jackson. 1003 00:58:40,583 --> 00:58:42,667 Newsman 2: Certainly, if the jury believes Culkin, 1004 00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:45,542 it will be a significant boost for the defense. 1005 00:58:50,417 --> 00:58:53,083 James: And he asked me to testify, 1006 00:58:53,166 --> 00:58:55,583 and, um, I said no. 1007 00:58:55,667 --> 00:58:58,542 And he got really angry at me, 1008 00:58:58,625 --> 00:59:01,291 and, um, he threatened me. 1009 00:59:02,792 --> 00:59:04,375 I had never seen him this angry. 1010 00:59:04,458 --> 00:59:07,709 It was like, more like, "Okay, you're enemy now." 1011 00:59:07,792 --> 00:59:10,041 He threatened me with his lawyers, 1012 00:59:10,125 --> 00:59:13,000 and said that I had perjured myself years ago, 1013 00:59:13,083 --> 00:59:16,750 and that he has the best lawyers in the world and... 1014 00:59:16,834 --> 00:59:18,834 that they were gonna get me. 1015 00:59:20,291 --> 00:59:22,000 And I just said, 1016 00:59:22,083 --> 00:59:26,125 "I don't want any part of it. You'll hear nothing from me. 1017 00:59:26,208 --> 00:59:27,458 You know, don't worry." 1018 00:59:27,542 --> 00:59:29,709 I was just trying to calm him down 1019 00:59:29,792 --> 00:59:32,333 to get him off the phone. 1020 00:59:41,291 --> 00:59:45,000 The last time I talked to him was near the end of the trial. 1021 00:59:47,166 --> 00:59:49,625 And he tried again to-- 1022 00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:52,291 he wanted me to testify. 1023 00:59:53,166 --> 00:59:57,750 And he, like, went into a spiel about... 1024 00:59:57,834 --> 01:00:00,083 "I'm sorry I haven't been there for you, 1025 01:00:00,166 --> 01:00:02,083 "like, for directing and all that stuff. 1026 01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:04,333 "Let's do something. 1027 01:00:05,583 --> 01:00:07,625 I know I haven't been there." 1028 01:00:08,417 --> 01:00:10,875 And, I cut the conversation short. 1029 01:00:10,959 --> 01:00:13,333 I just said, you know, 1030 01:00:14,083 --> 01:00:16,834 "Just don't call again," and I hung up. 1031 01:00:17,792 --> 01:00:20,500 And that was the last time I spoke to him. 1032 01:00:24,667 --> 01:00:27,917 Amanda: Michael, he had been reminding Wade, 1033 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,959 you know, how Wade could support him 1034 01:00:30,041 --> 01:00:32,333 and how much he loved him. 1035 01:00:32,417 --> 01:00:34,583 He wanted to talk to me, saying, 1036 01:00:34,667 --> 01:00:36,959 you know, how much he cared about me 1037 01:00:37,041 --> 01:00:39,750 and how happy I was in Wade's life, and... 1038 01:00:39,834 --> 01:00:42,834 Suddenly having a lot of... 1039 01:00:44,041 --> 01:00:46,959 interest in Wade's life, and how he was doing, 1040 01:00:47,041 --> 01:00:49,333 and that felt really good to Wade. 1041 01:00:49,417 --> 01:00:51,375 And then within... 1042 01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:54,834 a week or so after that, 1043 01:00:54,917 --> 01:00:59,041 I received a subpoena to testify. 1044 01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,959 Newsman: Reportedly, the grand jury will hear testimony 1045 01:01:13,041 --> 01:01:15,875 from Jackson's now 14-year-old accuser. 1046 01:01:15,959 --> 01:01:18,625 But it's also been reported that testimony will be heard 1047 01:01:18,709 --> 01:01:21,792 from Jackson's 1993 molestation case, 1048 01:01:21,875 --> 01:01:24,333 which was settled out of court. 1049 01:01:24,417 --> 01:01:26,375 Amanda: I remember asking Wade, 1050 01:01:26,458 --> 01:01:29,834 "Nothing happened to you, right? Like, you were never... 1051 01:01:29,917 --> 01:01:31,792 Like, he never did anything to you, did he?" 1052 01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:35,250 I just needed to... just put it out there. 1053 01:01:35,333 --> 01:01:37,458 And he assured me, 1054 01:01:37,542 --> 01:01:40,625 "No. No. Never." 1055 01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:43,458 And I believed him. 1056 01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:48,667 Wade: The idea of this truth 1057 01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:52,166 coming out, and Amanda knowing about it, 1058 01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:54,375 and my family knowing about it, 1059 01:01:54,458 --> 01:01:57,375 and everybody in the entertainment business, 1060 01:01:57,458 --> 01:02:00,542 in my career knowing about it, 1061 01:02:00,625 --> 01:02:04,166 I mean, was just a ridiculous idea 1062 01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:06,709 that was never going to happen, in my mind, 1063 01:02:06,792 --> 01:02:10,583 because, in my mind, my whole life would be over. 1064 01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:16,250 If I questioned Michael's... 1065 01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:19,625 perspective, that he was telling me about Gavin, 1066 01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:24,542 that I felt like I would, you know, I would break, 1067 01:02:24,625 --> 01:02:27,875 like, I couldn't be as strong as I needed to be. 1068 01:02:35,667 --> 01:02:37,208 Joy: He was worried. 1069 01:02:37,291 --> 01:02:41,250 We had had dinner the night before at Neverland, 1070 01:02:41,333 --> 01:02:44,208 and he was definitely subdued. 1071 01:02:49,667 --> 01:02:53,166 Chantal: So, we were at the ranch with all his family. 1072 01:02:53,250 --> 01:02:55,375 Michael didn't look well. 1073 01:02:55,458 --> 01:02:56,917 He looked very sick. 1074 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,709 His kids were there, everybody was there. 1075 01:03:00,792 --> 01:03:04,875 Wade: Like, his mind was just in a whole nother place. 1076 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,208 I remember... all of us sitting at dinner. 1077 01:03:10,041 --> 01:03:14,709 And... Paris, his daughter, 1078 01:03:16,458 --> 01:03:19,542 just wanting to-to... 1079 01:03:19,625 --> 01:03:21,458 wanting her dad's attention. 1080 01:03:21,542 --> 01:03:24,834 Kind of like, pulling on his arm, and pulling on his fingers, 1081 01:03:24,917 --> 01:03:26,959 and "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!" 1082 01:03:27,041 --> 01:03:30,792 And he was, I mean, he just, he wasn't there. 1083 01:03:30,875 --> 01:03:33,834 I remember that, just feeling really sad. 1084 01:03:33,917 --> 01:03:36,500 What if he loses? What if he goes to jail? 1085 01:03:36,583 --> 01:03:38,458 You know, and these are the last couple of times 1086 01:03:38,542 --> 01:03:41,375 that they see their daddy, you know? 1087 01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:46,000 Which built my conviction even that much more 1088 01:03:47,250 --> 01:03:49,834 to, to save him. 1089 01:03:50,417 --> 01:03:55,417 I think that definitely helped Wade to go into the... 1090 01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:57,792 you know, court room feeling, 1091 01:03:57,875 --> 01:04:00,375 you know, that he wanted to support Michael, 1092 01:04:00,458 --> 01:04:02,333 and feeling good about that. 1093 01:04:06,792 --> 01:04:09,417 To me, it was like here was his, you know, 1094 01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:13,041 lifelong friend that just really needed him. 1095 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:15,917 Looking back, 1096 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,834 I mean, it's horrifying to think about, 1097 01:04:18,917 --> 01:04:21,458 you know, the... 1098 01:04:22,542 --> 01:04:26,583 what that experience really represented for Wade. 1099 01:04:27,291 --> 01:04:28,959 Love is so powerful. 1100 01:04:34,917 --> 01:04:37,125 Wade: And I remember how... 1101 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,208 white he looked, 1102 01:04:40,291 --> 01:04:44,458 and his face was really thin, drawn out. 1103 01:04:44,542 --> 01:04:46,625 Crowd: Innocent! Innocent! Innocent! 1104 01:04:46,709 --> 01:04:48,750 Wade: He looked like a statue. 1105 01:04:50,458 --> 01:04:52,125 Lifeless. 1106 01:04:58,709 --> 01:05:03,041 Chantal: I testified, which was hard. 1107 01:05:03,125 --> 01:05:07,041 I mean, I think for anybody, being on the stand 1108 01:05:07,125 --> 01:05:10,458 is just a scary scenario. 1109 01:05:11,208 --> 01:05:14,417 Because you feel like lawyers and different are attacking you, 1110 01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:16,500 and they're saying different things, and... 1111 01:05:16,583 --> 01:05:19,750 you know, you have this feeling of, like... 1112 01:05:19,834 --> 01:05:22,625 did I just put my friend in jail? 1113 01:05:22,709 --> 01:05:24,250 I was up there for a couple hours. 1114 01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:26,208 The whole scenario was intense. 1115 01:05:26,291 --> 01:05:29,834 Wade was up for a long time. 1116 01:05:29,917 --> 01:05:32,125 Wade: You know, if this didn't go well for Michael, 1117 01:05:32,208 --> 01:05:34,917 he was gonna go to jail for the rest of his life. 1118 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,417 I was going to my grave with that truth, 1119 01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,458 of the sexual stuff that happened between Michael and I. 1120 01:05:41,542 --> 01:05:43,333 There was no way in hell 1121 01:05:43,417 --> 01:05:46,667 I was ever telling anybody in the universe. 1122 01:05:48,083 --> 01:05:49,709 And that was-- period. 1123 01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,000 Choreographer Wade Robson 1124 01:05:52,083 --> 01:05:54,166 acknowledged sharing a bed with the singer 1125 01:05:54,250 --> 01:05:56,125 many times when he was a child, 1126 01:05:56,208 --> 01:05:58,458 but he denied ever being molested. 1127 01:05:58,542 --> 01:06:01,291 Newsman: "Did Mr. Jackson ever molest you at any time," 1128 01:06:01,375 --> 01:06:02,792 the defense lawyer asked. 1129 01:06:02,875 --> 01:06:05,542 "No, never," Wade Robson replied. 1130 01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:09,041 That contradicts testimony from a former Michael Jackson maid, 1131 01:06:09,125 --> 01:06:12,291 who'd said she'd seen the singer showering with the boy. 1132 01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:14,458 We've seen a parade of witnesses saying 1133 01:06:14,542 --> 01:06:17,125 Michael Jackson's not a good guy, this is what I saw him do. 1134 01:06:17,208 --> 01:06:20,458 If you can get one or two or three people on that stand 1135 01:06:20,542 --> 01:06:23,250 who say, "They were talking about me. 1136 01:06:23,333 --> 01:06:26,375 It never happened," very powerful. 1137 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:29,333 Crowd: Innocent! Innocent! Innocent! 1138 01:06:29,417 --> 01:06:32,125 Juror: We the jury in the above entitled case 1139 01:06:32,208 --> 01:06:36,709 find the defendant not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child. 1140 01:06:36,792 --> 01:06:38,834 Count four verdict: not guilty. 1141 01:06:38,917 --> 01:06:41,750 Count five verdict: not guilty. 1142 01:06:44,583 --> 01:06:46,667 Newsman: And there it is, all 10 counts. 1143 01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:49,000 Not guilty on all 10 counts. 1144 01:06:49,083 --> 01:06:52,834 Michael Jackson will be walking out of this courtroom 1145 01:06:52,917 --> 01:06:54,375 a free man. 1146 01:06:54,458 --> 01:06:58,458 Man: Michael's innocent! Michael's innocent! 1147 01:06:58,542 --> 01:07:02,083 A jury of 12 decided the outcome of this trial. 1148 01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:03,959 Using the standard of reasonable doubt, 1149 01:07:04,041 --> 01:07:06,583 they rendered a verdict that was based on the facts 1150 01:07:06,667 --> 01:07:09,458 and evidence and within the guidelines of the law. 1151 01:07:09,542 --> 01:07:12,000 We expected probably better evidence, 1152 01:07:12,083 --> 01:07:13,458 you know, something that was 1153 01:07:13,542 --> 01:07:15,166 a little more convincing. 1154 01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:19,041 We just couldn't abide the story of the mother for one. 1155 01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:23,291 I disliked it intensely when she snapped her fingers at us. 1156 01:07:24,166 --> 01:07:28,125 That's when I thought, "Don't snap your fingers at me, lady." 1157 01:07:31,291 --> 01:07:36,041 I feel that, Michael Jackson 1158 01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:38,208 probably has molested boys. 1159 01:07:38,291 --> 01:07:42,000 After some of the testimony was offered, 1160 01:07:42,083 --> 01:07:44,083 I can't believe that, 1161 01:07:44,166 --> 01:07:48,125 that this man could sleep in the same 1162 01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:52,166 bedroom for 365 straight days, 1163 01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:55,417 and not do something more 1164 01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:58,375 than just watch television and eat popcorn. 1165 01:08:00,291 --> 01:08:03,875 Wade: Yeah, like, I can't imagine if I was Gavin, 1166 01:08:03,959 --> 01:08:07,208 or if I was Jordy at that time. 1167 01:08:07,291 --> 01:08:10,500 You know, no-no justice... - being served, 1168 01:08:10,583 --> 01:08:14,333 and not being believed by so many people. 1169 01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,709 For Gavin, I wish I... 1170 01:08:19,583 --> 01:08:21,917 was at a place where 1171 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,417 I could tell the truth and... 1172 01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:28,041 be a comrade with him. 1173 01:08:29,417 --> 01:08:32,000 You know, stopping Michael and stopping 1174 01:08:32,083 --> 01:08:36,291 a lot of other kids from being abused. 1175 01:08:37,375 --> 01:08:39,834 I just wasn't ready. 1176 01:08:39,917 --> 01:08:42,208 I wasn't able, when I was 11, 1177 01:08:42,291 --> 01:08:44,417 and when I was 22. 1178 01:08:45,542 --> 01:08:48,959 And I remember feeling happy, for sure, 1179 01:08:49,041 --> 01:08:53,417 that he was acquitted, that he wasn't going to jail. 1180 01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,458 I didn't believe or understand 1181 01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:00,291 that the sexual stuff that happened 1182 01:09:00,375 --> 01:09:02,875 between Michael and I was abuse. 1183 01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:08,500 I didn't feel like I was hurt by it. 1184 01:09:08,583 --> 01:09:12,583 That it was anything bad that happened to me. 1185 01:09:12,667 --> 01:09:14,917 At that point, it was... 1186 01:09:17,709 --> 01:09:20,709 I loved Michael. Michael loved me. 1187 01:09:20,792 --> 01:09:24,458 This was something that happened between us, that's it. 1188 01:09:24,542 --> 01:09:29,083 But I still had absolutely no understanding that I was affected. 1189 01:09:29,166 --> 01:09:32,166 Or any feeling that I was affected negatively. 1190 01:09:51,583 --> 01:09:53,834 In other news, could Michael Jackson be planning 1191 01:09:53,917 --> 01:09:56,125 a comeback right here in Las Vegas? 1192 01:09:56,208 --> 01:09:59,125 Lately, he has been hiding out overseas, 1193 01:09:59,208 --> 01:10:02,083 making no public appearances at all, 1194 01:10:02,166 --> 01:10:04,208 until, that is, Christmas Eve, 1195 01:10:04,291 --> 01:10:07,208 when he suddenly showed up here at Caesar's Palace, 1196 01:10:07,291 --> 01:10:08,417 out of the blue, 1197 01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:11,875 and began doing holiday shopping with his kids. 1198 01:10:18,917 --> 01:10:22,917 Wade: I was in Vegas for... 1199 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,041 maybe about six months, and I was choreographing 1200 01:10:25,125 --> 01:10:28,041 a Cirque Du Soleil show. 1201 01:10:28,125 --> 01:10:31,762 And at that point, Michael was living in Vegas with his kids. 1202 01:10:34,458 --> 01:10:36,208 I wanted him to come see the show, 1203 01:10:36,291 --> 01:10:38,917 and I asked him to write some words 1204 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,333 for the dancers in the show, some words of inspiration before opening night and... 1205 01:10:45,834 --> 01:10:48,500 And one of the things he kept... 1206 01:10:49,625 --> 01:10:54,583 asking as we were planning getting together was, 1207 01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:57,417 "You know, make sure-- you're gonna bring some wine? Yeah?" 1208 01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:01,750 So, this was a new dynamic, which I liked as well 'cause I, 1209 01:11:01,834 --> 01:11:05,750 you know, me trying to have this kind of normal experience with him. 1210 01:11:05,834 --> 01:11:08,333 Like, wow, cool. I'll be able to sit there with Michael 1211 01:11:08,417 --> 01:11:10,250 and have a glass of wine and... 1212 01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:13,041 talk about real stuff and, you know. 1213 01:11:21,458 --> 01:11:24,250 Amanda and I go to the grocery store and get 1214 01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:26,041 hot dogs and all that kind of stuff, 1215 01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:28,750 and couple bottle of wines and... 1216 01:11:28,834 --> 01:11:30,834 and go to the house. 1217 01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:34,583 And so, it's Michael and the three kids. 1218 01:11:35,417 --> 01:11:36,792 You know, once we got in, 1219 01:11:36,875 --> 01:11:39,417 one of the first things he asked was, 1220 01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:41,125 "Did you bring the wine?" 1221 01:11:41,208 --> 01:11:42,834 We had some, um, 1222 01:11:42,917 --> 01:11:45,333 those sort of larger red plastic cups 1223 01:11:45,417 --> 01:11:47,917 and he grabbed one of those and just 1224 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,458 filled one up to the brim, you know, with white wine, 1225 01:11:51,542 --> 01:11:54,208 and just chugged it down, 1226 01:11:54,291 --> 01:11:57,875 and then he kept going back and was filling it up and... 1227 01:11:58,333 --> 01:12:00,250 So, I mean, this was my first experience 1228 01:12:00,333 --> 01:12:03,750 of ever seeing him drink at all. 1229 01:12:03,834 --> 01:12:06,041 It was nice, and we would crack some jokes. 1230 01:12:06,125 --> 01:12:08,083 There was still that feeling of kind of reminiscing 1231 01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:10,750 about our relationship from the past. 1232 01:12:10,834 --> 01:12:14,458 We watched a movie with the kids. 1233 01:12:14,542 --> 01:12:17,625 You know, he just kept... kept drinking. 1234 01:12:19,917 --> 01:12:21,500 And then at some point, 1235 01:12:21,583 --> 01:12:25,667 we're getting kind of into the evening, 1236 01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:29,875 Michael says, "I'm gonna go upstairs for a second." 1237 01:12:31,333 --> 01:12:33,333 Thirty minutes goes by, 1238 01:12:33,417 --> 01:12:35,750 an hour goes by, um, 1239 01:12:35,834 --> 01:12:38,291 you know, nothing from Michael, he never comes back down. 1240 01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:40,417 Probably an hour, hour and a half, 1241 01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:42,709 and we're just there with the kids, and it's getting late now. 1242 01:12:42,792 --> 01:12:45,583 It's like 10, or something like that. 1243 01:12:46,125 --> 01:12:49,542 So, Amanda and I are like, "What do we...?" 1244 01:12:49,625 --> 01:12:51,792 You know, "What do we do?" 1245 01:12:51,875 --> 01:12:54,959 And I remember asking the kids, like, 1246 01:12:55,041 --> 01:12:56,709 "Do you wanna go check on... 1247 01:12:56,792 --> 01:12:58,875 on your dad, if he's okay?" 1248 01:12:58,959 --> 01:13:01,202 And they were just sort of like, "Nah. 1249 01:13:02,041 --> 01:13:03,750 He's fine." 1250 01:13:03,834 --> 01:13:05,500 Like it was, I mean, it was noth-- 1251 01:13:05,583 --> 01:13:09,099 it seemed like it was nothing out of the ordinary for them. 1252 01:13:09,959 --> 01:13:13,291 And that was the last time I saw him. 1253 01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:28,291 We're getting some breaking news coming into 1254 01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:29,875 the Situation Room right now. 1255 01:13:29,959 --> 01:13:32,750 What are we picking up? -Apparently, Michael Jackson 1256 01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:35,083 suffered cardiac arrest this afternoon. 1257 01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:38,250 He was rushed to UCLA Medical Center. 1258 01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:40,667 Blitzer: CNN sources are now saying, 1259 01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:43,583 multiple sources, that Michael Jackson 1260 01:13:43,667 --> 01:13:45,250 is in a coma. 1261 01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:46,792 Newsman: You see the number of people 1262 01:13:46,875 --> 01:13:49,208 that have already gathered outside the hospital. 1263 01:13:49,291 --> 01:13:51,750 If that isn't testament to the star power 1264 01:13:51,834 --> 01:13:54,709 of Michael Jackson, I don't know what is. 1265 01:14:03,125 --> 01:14:06,875 Wade: I was in my house. 1266 01:14:06,959 --> 01:14:10,667 I was working on some choreography for a show. 1267 01:14:11,208 --> 01:14:13,792 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 1268 01:14:13,875 --> 01:14:17,834 And I believe it was a friend of mine 1269 01:14:17,917 --> 01:14:21,000 who texted me and said, "Turn on the news. 1270 01:14:22,041 --> 01:14:23,516 Now." 1271 01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:27,417 I think the first image I saw 1272 01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:31,542 was the paramedics 1273 01:14:31,625 --> 01:14:36,583 that were carrying Michael to the hospital. 1274 01:14:37,417 --> 01:14:40,250 You know, that Michael had had some sort of cardiac arrest 1275 01:14:40,333 --> 01:14:41,750 or something like that. 1276 01:14:41,834 --> 01:14:44,667 Blitzer: And we're just getting this in right now, 1277 01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:47,375 and it's very, very sad news, 1278 01:14:47,458 --> 01:14:49,792 Jim Moret and to all of our viewers. 1279 01:14:49,875 --> 01:14:51,959 Both the Los Angeles Times 1280 01:14:52,041 --> 01:14:55,291 and CBS News are both now reporting 1281 01:14:55,375 --> 01:14:57,750 that Michael Jackson has died. 1282 01:14:57,834 --> 01:15:01,083 CNN can now confirm from the LA Coroner 1283 01:15:01,166 --> 01:15:02,875 that Michael Jackson is dead. 1284 01:15:02,959 --> 01:15:06,417 Newswoman: Jackson appeared to have suffered from cardiac arrest. 1285 01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:07,834 He was 50 years old. 1286 01:15:07,917 --> 01:15:11,083 Crowd: Michael! Michael! Michael... 1287 01:15:12,542 --> 01:15:14,834 Chantal: It's not like I just got a call 1288 01:15:14,917 --> 01:15:18,542 from my friend's mother to tell me that my friend died. 1289 01:15:18,625 --> 01:15:21,750 You know, you're watching it, like, on a newscast. 1290 01:15:21,834 --> 01:15:24,125 You know, just a whole different way of finding out 1291 01:15:24,208 --> 01:15:27,458 that somebody you know died, and I'm a mess. 1292 01:15:28,458 --> 01:15:32,333 -Are you serious? -Newswoman: Yeah, no, he died of a heart attack tonight in LA. 1293 01:15:32,417 --> 01:15:35,208 Man: A heart attack!? 1294 01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:40,667 Chantal: So much of my story, so much of my life, 1295 01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:43,834 has been him, you know, I came to America. 1296 01:15:43,917 --> 01:15:47,291 Like, everything, and he's been such a big part of our life... 1297 01:15:47,375 --> 01:15:51,041 then all of sudden, just gone. 1298 01:15:51,125 --> 01:15:53,750 Wade: I guess you'd call it being in shock. 1299 01:15:53,834 --> 01:15:55,834 I mean, just being... 1300 01:15:56,625 --> 01:16:00,125 numb and not believing. 1301 01:16:05,208 --> 01:16:09,041 James: I was at work, and I think a friend of mine texted. 1302 01:16:09,125 --> 01:16:12,875 Said, "I'm sorry," and I was like, for what? 1303 01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:15,750 And then I looked on the news and saw it and... 1304 01:16:16,875 --> 01:16:18,417 I was sad. 1305 01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:22,417 My first reaction was being really sad. 1306 01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:25,208 It's like we would never be friends again. 1307 01:16:25,291 --> 01:16:27,208 I'd never know him again. 1308 01:16:27,291 --> 01:16:29,291 I danced when I heard that he died. 1309 01:16:29,375 --> 01:16:31,667 I was laying in bed. The news came on. 1310 01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:33,417 I got out of bed and I was, 1311 01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:37,667 "Oh, thank God. He can't hurt anymore children." 1312 01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:40,417 Those were my thoughts, and I danced. 1313 01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,166 He can't hurt anymore children! 1314 01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:46,667 I was so happy he died. 1315 01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:51,917 I had a jacket that Michael had given me. 1316 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,291 I curled up in bed with the jacket for a week. 1317 01:16:55,875 --> 01:16:58,667 I could not believe it. 1318 01:16:59,875 --> 01:17:03,041 It was like, it was losing a family member. 1319 01:17:03,125 --> 01:17:04,792 We had loved him for a long time. 1320 01:17:04,875 --> 01:17:08,500 We'd been friends with him for over 20 years. 1321 01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:11,458 It was hard to accept. 1322 01:17:14,875 --> 01:17:17,291 Chantal: You know, you drive in the car, 1323 01:17:17,375 --> 01:17:20,500 and you hear their music and you cry. 1324 01:17:20,583 --> 01:17:22,583 It's all around you all the time, 1325 01:17:22,667 --> 01:17:25,417 so you grieve for multiple days, you know, and you have 1326 01:17:25,500 --> 01:17:28,250 beautiful moments where you remember beautiful memories 1327 01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:30,583 of being at the ranch and all these great things 1328 01:17:30,667 --> 01:17:33,291 and remembering him as a beautiful person, 1329 01:17:33,375 --> 01:17:36,125 but then also being... feeling really sad. 1330 01:17:49,041 --> 01:17:50,667 Wade: I didn't know how to feel. 1331 01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:54,834 I just kind of started going for walks around the neighborhood. 1332 01:17:54,917 --> 01:17:57,291 And, you know, people are trying to call me like crazy, 1333 01:17:57,375 --> 01:18:00,333 and get in contact with me, and I didn't wanna talk to anybody. 1334 01:18:00,417 --> 01:18:01,834 I didn't wanna talk to my mother, 1335 01:18:01,917 --> 01:18:03,675 I didn't wanna talk to anyone. 1336 01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:08,500 Amanda: I remember him just sitting on curbs 1337 01:18:08,583 --> 01:18:12,125 and just being really incredibly emotional. 1338 01:18:12,208 --> 01:18:14,500 A lot of... 1339 01:18:14,583 --> 01:18:18,125 yeah, a lot of, like, curling up and crying. 1340 01:18:18,208 --> 01:18:22,125 Wade: And the press inquiries were coming through my agents and... 1341 01:18:22,208 --> 01:18:24,250 and it got to the point where they finally said to me, 1342 01:18:24,333 --> 01:18:26,834 "Listen, you gotta do a statement." 1343 01:18:26,917 --> 01:18:29,834 So, I remember going to... 1344 01:18:29,917 --> 01:18:33,959 a sort of park in Santa Monica to sit down and try and... 1345 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,291 figure out what I wanted to say. 1346 01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:45,750 It was extremely loving and grateful 1347 01:18:45,834 --> 01:18:47,834 for Michael in my life, 1348 01:18:47,917 --> 01:18:50,542 and talking about he's the reason I dance, 1349 01:18:50,625 --> 01:18:53,667 the reason I make music, 1350 01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:57,625 and ending with, you know, "I'll never stop missing him, but..." 1351 01:18:58,709 --> 01:19:00,375 You know, "Now, he's..." 1352 01:19:00,458 --> 01:19:03,583 Something along the lines of, "Now, he's,"... 1353 01:19:03,667 --> 01:19:07,625 "blessing the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk." 1354 01:19:07,709 --> 01:19:10,291 Something like that. 1355 01:19:10,375 --> 01:19:13,500 Joe Jackson: He tried his hard to please everybody. 1356 01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:17,417 The sick, he donates so much money to the sick. 1357 01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:19,667 He helped the blind. He helped... 1358 01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:22,208 everybody that needed help, 1359 01:19:22,291 --> 01:19:23,333 and he was glad to do it. 1360 01:19:23,417 --> 01:19:26,500 I've seen Michael help so many people, 1361 01:19:26,583 --> 01:19:28,750 and sometimes, he would go and cry about it 1362 01:19:28,834 --> 01:19:32,417 because he felt sorry for the people that he was helping. 1363 01:19:37,583 --> 01:19:40,917 James: Michael had a lot of great attributes, 1364 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,625 and he was great in a lot of ways, 1365 01:19:43,709 --> 01:19:46,250 and you loved him in a lot of ways. 1366 01:19:48,083 --> 01:19:49,333 And then... 1367 01:19:49,417 --> 01:19:52,709 you know, Michael does these things to you 1368 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,750 that are not healthy, 1369 01:19:56,834 --> 01:19:59,000 but you still have... 1370 01:19:59,834 --> 01:20:02,583 um, you still have love for him. 1371 01:20:02,667 --> 01:20:05,458 So, it's really hard to... 1372 01:20:05,542 --> 01:20:09,125 have those two feelings together. 1373 01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:11,500 I still today... 1374 01:20:11,583 --> 01:20:13,959 am grappling with that. 1375 01:20:21,333 --> 01:20:24,375 Newsman: It is estimated that before it's over, 1376 01:20:24,458 --> 01:20:26,792 this will be viewed by between 1377 01:20:26,875 --> 01:20:29,000 750 million 1378 01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:32,583 to a billion people around the world. 1379 01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:37,875 Chantal: We were contacted to come to the funeral. 1380 01:20:37,959 --> 01:20:42,250 You know, we went to the big funeral at the Staples Center. 1381 01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:58,875 Wade: I mean, that was a surreal experience. 1382 01:20:58,959 --> 01:21:00,959 I mean, not your average 1383 01:21:01,041 --> 01:21:02,917 memorial or funeral. 1384 01:21:04,417 --> 01:21:08,375 You know, musical performances and... 1385 01:21:08,458 --> 01:21:13,625 Michael's image up on the massive screen. 1386 01:21:13,709 --> 01:21:16,792 Chantal: You know, at first it felt like, oh, this is a big hoopla. 1387 01:21:16,875 --> 01:21:18,542 But it actually was 1388 01:21:18,625 --> 01:21:20,667 really nice, respectful, you know. 1389 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:22,667 The fans, everybody, were quiet. 1390 01:21:22,750 --> 01:21:25,041 It actually felt like a ceremony and... 1391 01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:28,125 it was very emotional for all of us that were there. 1392 01:21:28,208 --> 01:21:31,291 Joy: Wade sobbed at the memorial service 1393 01:21:31,375 --> 01:21:33,875 like I've never heard him sob. 1394 01:21:33,959 --> 01:21:36,375 He put his head in his hands, 1395 01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:38,333 and actually sobbed and sobbed. 1396 01:21:38,417 --> 01:21:40,721 He didn't do that when his father died. 1397 01:21:45,083 --> 01:21:47,583 That's the last time I remember 1398 01:21:47,667 --> 01:21:51,625 crying about him being dead. 1399 01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:59,291 And then, I went back to work. 1400 01:22:00,083 --> 01:22:01,667 I mean... 1401 01:22:04,291 --> 01:22:05,500 Yeah. 1402 01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:07,834 I went back to work, full pelt. 1403 01:22:08,667 --> 01:22:11,333 Wade: Left right, left right, left right... 1404 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,792 Step! Step! 1405 01:22:15,875 --> 01:22:17,750 You know, it was a new phase in my career in, 1406 01:22:17,834 --> 01:22:20,319 kind of, choreography and stage directing. 1407 01:22:22,667 --> 01:22:23,834 Clap! Clap! 1408 01:22:23,917 --> 01:22:25,500 Amanda and I were married now. 1409 01:22:25,583 --> 01:22:29,500 We were starting to work together a bit, creatively. 1410 01:22:29,583 --> 01:22:32,875 The phones are ringing! Like, say yes, yes! You know, work begets work. 1411 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,583 Like this is time to explode. This is what you've been working for. 1412 01:22:36,667 --> 01:22:40,291 But he'd be in the adrenaline of a job, 1413 01:22:40,375 --> 01:22:45,875 and it was always followed by lulls of depression. 1414 01:22:45,959 --> 01:22:47,959 Wade: You know, I'm just a perfectionist, and... 1415 01:22:48,041 --> 01:22:53,375 I just was never really able to enjoy my work. 1416 01:22:54,375 --> 01:22:56,041 It wasn't fun, 1417 01:22:56,125 --> 01:22:58,667 and the more success I gained, 1418 01:22:58,750 --> 01:23:00,375 the less fun it became. 1419 01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:02,398 It was just more about pressure. 1420 01:23:08,041 --> 01:23:10,709 Amanda: And he went through this really 1421 01:23:10,792 --> 01:23:13,375 dark, sort of sad, 1422 01:23:13,458 --> 01:23:16,458 lonely-- a depression, in a way. 1423 01:23:19,417 --> 01:23:22,959 I don't know what's going on. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack or something. 1424 01:23:23,041 --> 01:23:25,166 Chantal: He was freaking out. 1425 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:27,667 He was so afraid that whatever decision he made 1426 01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:29,500 was gonna be the wrong one. 1427 01:23:29,583 --> 01:23:33,000 "I've gotta stop, like... I can't go through this 1428 01:23:33,083 --> 01:23:35,333 and not figure out what's wrong." 1429 01:23:43,458 --> 01:23:45,625 So, we were all struggling, trying to find out 1430 01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:47,750 what all this was about. 1431 01:23:51,208 --> 01:23:55,875 Wade: Amanda is so clear about how she felt about everything, 1432 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,792 and could communicate it, and I just couldn't. 1433 01:24:00,458 --> 01:24:04,625 I would be sad, I would get angry, and I just-- 1434 01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:06,709 and she would ask me what's wrong, 1435 01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:08,959 and I would just say I don't know. 1436 01:24:16,667 --> 01:24:18,875 Amanda: We had been working a ton, 1437 01:24:18,959 --> 01:24:23,125 traveling a lot, doing lots of exciting work, and... 1438 01:24:23,208 --> 01:24:25,375 I remember telling myself, you know, 1439 01:24:25,458 --> 01:24:27,375 when I can't think of anything 1440 01:24:27,458 --> 01:24:30,583 but becoming a mom, that will be the time that, 1441 01:24:30,667 --> 01:24:33,333 you know, we think about starting a family. 1442 01:24:34,792 --> 01:24:39,041 And Koa arrived on this Earth, 1443 01:24:39,125 --> 01:24:41,542 November 10th, 2010. 1444 01:24:44,417 --> 01:24:47,667 Wade: I just entered this 1445 01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:51,667 state of absolute euphoria, 1446 01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:58,500 thinking, like, this is the most important job 1447 01:24:59,250 --> 01:25:02,667 I've ever had, being a father. 1448 01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:05,458 Koa's birth was, um, 1449 01:25:05,542 --> 01:25:10,792 directly aligned with, Wade receiving, 1450 01:25:10,875 --> 01:25:14,417 um, his dream job opportunity. 1451 01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:17,083 You know, Michael had always prophesied to Wade 1452 01:25:17,166 --> 01:25:19,083 that he would be a film director, 1453 01:25:19,166 --> 01:25:21,959 like Steven Spielberg film director, 1454 01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:24,333 that that's what he was working towards. 1455 01:25:24,417 --> 01:25:27,291 You know, so these are kind of two really, 1456 01:25:27,375 --> 01:25:31,875 intense life happenings at the same time. 1457 01:25:31,959 --> 01:25:35,792 Becoming a father and getting my first gig 1458 01:25:35,875 --> 01:25:39,125 as a feature film director. 1459 01:25:39,208 --> 01:25:42,125 Amanda: The demands of the film 1460 01:25:42,208 --> 01:25:44,291 started to become more apparent. 1461 01:25:44,375 --> 01:25:46,125 It was a big budget film, 1462 01:25:46,208 --> 01:25:51,458 and there's a lot of people looking for answers from him, 1463 01:25:51,542 --> 01:25:56,000 in reference to story, in reference to, you know, production. 1464 01:25:56,083 --> 01:26:00,041 And fatherhood was also on his plate. 1465 01:26:00,125 --> 01:26:04,959 I stopped being able to sleep at all. 1466 01:26:05,667 --> 01:26:10,542 Lying in bed for eight, nine hours, 1467 01:26:10,625 --> 01:26:12,959 staring at the walls. 1468 01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:17,625 Stressed and anxiety and fears beyond belief. 1469 01:26:17,709 --> 01:26:20,959 It gets to the point where I'm barely operating. 1470 01:26:21,041 --> 01:26:24,041 I remove myself from the film. I remove myself from any work. 1471 01:26:24,125 --> 01:26:27,500 I disappeared from the world. 1472 01:26:27,583 --> 01:26:30,250 You know, agents, managers, "Don't call me." 1473 01:26:31,291 --> 01:26:34,709 I was barely talking to my family. 1474 01:26:34,792 --> 01:26:37,166 Amanda: Whatever was going on inside of him, 1475 01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:39,041 I mean, it was relentless. 1476 01:26:50,792 --> 01:26:53,417 James: They say time heals all wounds, but that-- 1477 01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:55,709 I don't think time heals this one. 1478 01:26:55,792 --> 01:26:57,959 It just gets worse. 1479 01:27:01,208 --> 01:27:04,458 You can't talk to anybody about it. You don't-- 1480 01:27:05,458 --> 01:27:08,709 You don't get advice or a perspective. 1481 01:27:08,792 --> 01:27:11,041 You're stuck... 1482 01:27:11,125 --> 01:27:13,291 keeping a secret, and then... 1483 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:17,417 So, you don't ever... 1484 01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:21,625 You don't ever figure it out. You're just stuck. 1485 01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:24,375 I could see he was having a rough time, 1486 01:27:24,458 --> 01:27:28,417 just with his body language, and I... 1487 01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:30,667 "Do you-- Honey, do you want to go to a psychiatrist?" 1488 01:27:30,750 --> 01:27:33,792 "No!" That was an absolute no. 1489 01:27:33,875 --> 01:27:35,500 Um... 1490 01:27:36,959 --> 01:27:38,750 He just wouldn't talk. He wouldn't open up. 1491 01:27:38,834 --> 01:27:41,959 Jimmy wouldn't, was-- He was different. 1492 01:27:42,041 --> 01:27:43,709 It's fine for brief moments, 1493 01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:46,000 but when you spend years like that, 1494 01:27:47,208 --> 01:27:49,208 and you don't sleep well... 1495 01:27:50,458 --> 01:27:52,625 you kind of go crazy. 1496 01:27:54,375 --> 01:27:55,583 Laura: When Cillian was born, 1497 01:27:55,667 --> 01:27:57,917 he had a little bit of a breakdown. 1498 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,041 And again, me being me, I thought, 1499 01:28:00,125 --> 01:28:02,792 "Well, this must happen to dads when they have their first kid. 1500 01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:06,917 It just makes people feel scared," and I understood, and... 1501 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,792 I-I know I'm probably sounding incredibly naive, 1502 01:28:09,875 --> 01:28:11,875 but some of the things he did and didn't do, 1503 01:28:11,959 --> 01:28:14,834 I just attributed to... this is our life. 1504 01:28:14,917 --> 01:28:17,834 This is, you know, he sleeps an awful lot, 1505 01:28:17,917 --> 01:28:20,291 and so I'll stay up and I'll take care of the kids, 1506 01:28:20,375 --> 01:28:22,667 or, you know, he can't be around 1507 01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:25,583 the friends and the schools the way I am, so I'll do that. 1508 01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:28,875 It was sort of survival mode, I guess, is a good way to put it. 1509 01:28:28,959 --> 01:28:31,375 It was like, this is our scenario, and we love each other, 1510 01:28:31,458 --> 01:28:33,583 so we're gonna work around whatever this is. 1511 01:28:33,667 --> 01:28:35,583 I think the... 1512 01:28:36,959 --> 01:28:41,625 abuse symptoms intensify when you have kids. 1513 01:28:41,709 --> 01:28:43,959 Like, it ramps up even more. 1514 01:28:45,458 --> 01:28:49,208 And then you see how, like, innocent kids are. 1515 01:28:49,959 --> 01:28:52,667 I think having kids... 1516 01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:55,208 kind of shoves that in your face. 1517 01:28:56,542 --> 01:29:00,333 He's getting closer to the age I was when I was abused. 1518 01:29:03,291 --> 01:29:08,834 So, that is difficult to deal with and see-- 1519 01:29:08,917 --> 01:29:12,917 watch him kind of become you at that age. 1520 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,000 Wade: Found a therapist. 1521 01:29:21,083 --> 01:29:22,458 Trying to figure out 1522 01:29:22,542 --> 01:29:24,625 what the hell was wrong with me. 1523 01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:27,041 I went through the story of my life, 1524 01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:29,917 and I went through the... 1525 01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:34,417 story of my life with Michael, 1526 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,542 but just... the good parts, 1527 01:29:38,625 --> 01:29:40,917 just the creative inspiration, and the work, 1528 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,667 and friendship, and all of that stuff. 1529 01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:48,166 And I was saying things at this point, like, to Amanda, 1530 01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:51,709 "I don't know... I don't know who I am. 1531 01:29:51,792 --> 01:29:53,709 "Like, I don't know what I want. 1532 01:29:53,792 --> 01:29:56,000 "I don't know left from right. 1533 01:29:56,083 --> 01:29:58,125 "All I know is you and Koa. 1534 01:29:58,208 --> 01:30:02,000 Like, that's all that makes any sense to me." 1535 01:30:05,917 --> 01:30:08,333 It was so incredibly frightening, 1536 01:30:08,417 --> 01:30:12,750 'cause for him to just sit still... he was just terr-- 1537 01:30:12,834 --> 01:30:16,208 There was just terror in his eyes, all the time. 1538 01:30:17,583 --> 01:30:19,583 I would tell myself, like, on our porch, 1539 01:30:19,667 --> 01:30:21,875 like, "Just keep it together," 1540 01:30:21,959 --> 01:30:24,750 like, "It's gonna be okay. 1541 01:30:24,834 --> 01:30:28,875 We're gonna-- He's gonna be okay. We're gonna figure this out." 1542 01:30:30,792 --> 01:30:36,166 Wade: So, at this point, Koa is about... a year and a half. 1543 01:30:37,917 --> 01:30:41,667 I start to... 1544 01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:45,375 have these images of... 1545 01:30:46,417 --> 01:30:49,458 the kind of sexual stuff that happened 1546 01:30:49,542 --> 01:30:52,125 between Michael and I 1547 01:30:52,208 --> 01:30:54,041 happening to Koa. 1548 01:30:55,166 --> 01:30:56,875 And seeing... 1549 01:30:58,166 --> 01:31:01,625 Michael doing it to Koa, 1550 01:31:01,709 --> 01:31:03,834 what he did to me. 1551 01:31:04,834 --> 01:31:08,625 And my immediate... 1552 01:31:10,208 --> 01:31:15,750 emotional, reaction to-to having those images 1553 01:31:15,834 --> 01:31:20,458 is just this, rage and... 1554 01:31:20,542 --> 01:31:24,834 disgust and... you know, violent feeling. 1555 01:31:24,917 --> 01:31:30,375 Like, I would kill anyone who did anything like that to Koa. 1556 01:31:31,458 --> 01:31:34,250 What I started thinking was... 1557 01:31:36,125 --> 01:31:39,375 you know, how... how can I have such... 1558 01:31:40,583 --> 01:31:42,917 clear feelings, 1559 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:46,500 negative, horrible feelings about the idea 1560 01:31:46,583 --> 01:31:50,291 of that sexual stuff happening to Koa, 1561 01:31:50,375 --> 01:31:53,667 but when I think about Michael and I, 1562 01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:56,875 and all of that sexual stuff going on... 1563 01:31:56,959 --> 01:31:59,667 I don't... I don't feel anything. 1564 01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:03,750 That's probably kind of weird. 1565 01:32:05,458 --> 01:32:09,083 And I start thinking, you know, if I'm gonna go into therapy 1566 01:32:09,166 --> 01:32:11,458 and try and really get to the bottom 1567 01:32:11,542 --> 01:32:14,291 of whatever the hell is going on with me, 1568 01:32:14,375 --> 01:32:19,333 I probably have to talk about the sexual stuff that went on. 1569 01:32:27,083 --> 01:32:30,792 I go in for a session with Dr. Shaw. 1570 01:32:30,875 --> 01:32:33,625 "You know, all the stuff about, um... 1571 01:32:34,959 --> 01:32:38,583 "all the allegations, and, like, Michael Jackson... 1572 01:32:38,667 --> 01:32:42,166 "molesting kids and all that stuff, um... 1573 01:32:44,792 --> 01:32:46,333 "It was... 1574 01:32:46,417 --> 01:32:49,125 It was true. It happened to me." 1575 01:32:58,333 --> 01:33:02,250 Amanda: There were little things that we would try and do and look forward to. 1576 01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:06,166 Dinners or something, you know, to try and put on a happy face, 1577 01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:07,917 and to, like, look forward to something, 1578 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,500 instead of, like, the dread and fear of... 1579 01:33:11,375 --> 01:33:12,850 our reality. 1580 01:33:14,250 --> 01:33:16,709 Shane: Wade and Amanda were living in Santa Monica, 1581 01:33:16,792 --> 01:33:20,834 and food trucks were, like, the big thing in LA at the time. 1582 01:33:21,875 --> 01:33:24,625 And I spoke with Erica, my wife, 1583 01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:27,583 on the phone as I'm driving there. 1584 01:33:27,667 --> 01:33:31,542 And she, she says... 1585 01:33:31,625 --> 01:33:35,709 "I gotta tell you about a crazy, crazy dream I had last night." 1586 01:33:37,333 --> 01:33:40,542 Wade had told her 1587 01:33:40,625 --> 01:33:43,375 that Michael Jackson had abused him. 1588 01:33:44,375 --> 01:33:46,959 She said it was so real, 1589 01:33:47,041 --> 01:33:50,208 she woke up from the dream actually crying about it. 1590 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,834 My brother and Amanda 1591 01:33:53,917 --> 01:33:55,417 go and walk towards the food trucks, 1592 01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:58,500 and we're waiting for some food, and we're just chatting, 1593 01:33:58,583 --> 01:34:00,625 and my brother... 1594 01:34:00,709 --> 01:34:03,667 comes out of nowhere and says, 1595 01:34:04,333 --> 01:34:07,917 "You know, my wife had this crazy dream." 1596 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:13,542 Like, my first instinct when he said that was to... 1597 01:34:15,834 --> 01:34:18,041 crack a joke. 1598 01:34:18,125 --> 01:34:22,709 And a joke that had sort of become kind of standard for me, 1599 01:34:22,792 --> 01:34:25,333 which was, you know, 1600 01:34:25,417 --> 01:34:28,667 "Yeah, man. I don't know. I mean, if it... was true, 1601 01:34:28,750 --> 01:34:31,917 "I don't know why I wasn't sexy enough. 1602 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,542 Like, what was wrong with me?" 1603 01:34:34,625 --> 01:34:38,080 And that was my instinct, to kind of go right to that joke. 1604 01:34:38,750 --> 01:34:41,500 But I just couldn't, I couldn't this time. 1605 01:34:41,583 --> 01:34:45,125 I mean, this was, like, just an hour and a half ago 1606 01:34:45,208 --> 01:34:48,125 that I had told Dr. Shaw for the first time. 1607 01:34:49,125 --> 01:34:51,291 So, my head just dropped. 1608 01:34:55,250 --> 01:34:58,667 And then I just kind of, I just looked up and said, 1609 01:34:58,750 --> 01:35:00,917 "It is true." 1610 01:35:03,208 --> 01:35:06,333 And, um, and I'm looking at him, 1611 01:35:07,083 --> 01:35:10,720 and I'm like, is he telling me a joke or something right now? 1612 01:35:11,375 --> 01:35:14,625 And I'm like, "What do you mean?" 1613 01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:16,834 And all sorts of things are going through my head, 1614 01:35:16,917 --> 01:35:20,041 like the amount of years that, 1615 01:35:20,125 --> 01:35:22,709 you know, he's defended this guy. 1616 01:35:24,291 --> 01:35:26,792 I remember, Amanda... 1617 01:35:30,959 --> 01:35:33,583 was, was on my left, 1618 01:35:33,667 --> 01:35:36,458 and I remember, physically, she just, um... 1619 01:35:38,792 --> 01:35:40,667 she just caved in, 1620 01:35:40,750 --> 01:35:43,458 like someone punched her in the chest. 1621 01:35:48,583 --> 01:35:51,625 And my brother sort of had the opposite physical reaction. 1622 01:35:51,709 --> 01:35:53,834 Like, his chest kind of puffed out. 1623 01:35:53,917 --> 01:35:56,083 He got... angry. 1624 01:35:56,166 --> 01:35:58,227 I think his first word was, "What?" 1625 01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:03,333 There was a real kind of anger in his eyes. 1626 01:36:08,375 --> 01:36:12,083 The-- It's like the world was, kind of like spinning, 1627 01:36:12,166 --> 01:36:15,667 and all I could see was Chantal was holding Koa. 1628 01:36:16,291 --> 01:36:18,667 So, it's like a blur, 1629 01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:23,000 and I just honed in on Koa, and I needed to hold him. 1630 01:36:23,083 --> 01:36:24,917 And then they come over to me, 1631 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,458 and as soon as they come to the table, 1632 01:36:27,542 --> 01:36:32,208 Shane turns to me, and he says, 1633 01:36:32,959 --> 01:36:36,166 "Wade, tell Chantal what you just told us." 1634 01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:41,375 My sister's always been the one in my life who's... more emotional, 1635 01:36:41,458 --> 01:36:45,959 like much more readily available, wears her heart on her sleeve. 1636 01:36:46,041 --> 01:36:49,667 And I remember the look in her eyes and just, um... 1637 01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:54,542 her just staring at me, and just tears, you know. 1638 01:36:55,792 --> 01:36:59,291 I was hurt and angry for Wade. 1639 01:36:59,375 --> 01:37:03,291 I was upset for myself and my relationship that I had, 1640 01:37:03,375 --> 01:37:05,917 and then I was really scared for my mom. 1641 01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:13,375 I was afraid that my mom would commit suicide. 1642 01:37:15,709 --> 01:37:18,917 'Cause it's not like it was uncommon for me. 1643 01:37:22,417 --> 01:37:26,250 But I was afraid that my mom would do something to herself, 1644 01:37:28,291 --> 01:37:32,083 because of the shame of, you know, her not knowing or... 1645 01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:36,417 you know. 1646 01:37:37,125 --> 01:37:38,917 It's like this was the... 1647 01:37:40,083 --> 01:37:44,041 The story that I had been telling all these years... 1648 01:37:46,208 --> 01:37:49,208 the lies that I had been telling about, 1649 01:37:49,291 --> 01:37:52,625 you know, that none of this sexual stuff ever happened, 1650 01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:56,375 like, that was... that story... 1651 01:37:56,458 --> 01:37:58,959 that version of the story was the... 1652 01:37:59,041 --> 01:38:01,959 the whole foundation of my life, 1653 01:38:02,041 --> 01:38:05,041 and my sister's, and my brother's life. 1654 01:38:05,125 --> 01:38:06,500 I mean, like, 1655 01:38:06,583 --> 01:38:09,667 my whole life with Michael is the reason... 1656 01:38:10,625 --> 01:38:14,125 my family split apart, and we moved to America, 1657 01:38:14,208 --> 01:38:17,625 and, you know, like, it's all wrapped up in that. 1658 01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:23,333 And now it's like this whole... 1659 01:38:23,417 --> 01:38:27,250 the whole foundation of this story was bullshit, you know? 1660 01:38:34,208 --> 01:38:37,583 Amanda: But there's a child. 1661 01:38:37,667 --> 01:38:39,250 The fact that I needed to take care of him, 1662 01:38:39,333 --> 01:38:43,083 whatever he needed next, got us home. 1663 01:38:43,166 --> 01:38:46,750 And now it's my and Wade's first time alone. 1664 01:38:51,333 --> 01:38:54,834 And he's like, "Do you wanna ask me anything?" 1665 01:38:54,917 --> 01:38:59,250 And I... And I said, "Are you confused? 1666 01:38:59,333 --> 01:39:03,041 Like is there any confusion as to like how-- 1667 01:39:03,125 --> 01:39:08,834 what is like appropriate to how you love Koa?" 1668 01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:12,125 And Wade was like, "Absolutely not." 1669 01:39:14,375 --> 01:39:17,250 I had no knowledge of child sexual abuse, 1670 01:39:17,333 --> 01:39:19,291 or the, um, 1671 01:39:19,375 --> 01:39:23,291 psychological way it plays out into adulthood. 1672 01:39:23,375 --> 01:39:26,041 You know, I was incredibly naive on the subject. 1673 01:39:26,125 --> 01:39:30,333 So, to me, you know, the fact that he had... 1674 01:39:30,417 --> 01:39:32,500 had lied about it to me, 1675 01:39:32,583 --> 01:39:37,709 I thought the repercussions must be something that... affected-- 1676 01:39:37,792 --> 01:39:42,166 that he was scared of in relation to me, or to us, or his... 1677 01:39:42,875 --> 01:39:44,375 I don't know. 1678 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:49,041 It's like I... I used to be the person that said... 1679 01:39:49,875 --> 01:39:53,291 you know, "Oh, that person's after money, 1680 01:39:53,375 --> 01:39:56,625 or they're trying to bring Michael down, and he's famous." 1681 01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:59,208 And I was the person that said all that. 1682 01:40:00,125 --> 01:40:03,398 You know, and then now being on the other side of it... 1683 01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:06,333 you know, now I understand why people are saying that to me, 1684 01:40:06,417 --> 01:40:08,583 but at the same time, it's like... 1685 01:40:10,083 --> 01:40:11,709 you know, I'm awake now. 1686 01:40:11,792 --> 01:40:16,291 It's like I see the reality, and I see the truth, 1687 01:40:16,375 --> 01:40:19,500 and I, you know, the pattern of what happened, 1688 01:40:19,583 --> 01:40:22,375 and-and that it happened to my brother. 1689 01:40:22,458 --> 01:40:25,834 But I feel so bad for every little boy 1690 01:40:25,917 --> 01:40:28,750 prior that tried to talk, 1691 01:40:28,834 --> 01:40:31,917 and got shut up really fast. 1692 01:40:32,834 --> 01:40:34,166 Lorraine: It's so hard to believe 1693 01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:36,917 that he would do that to a little boy, 1694 01:40:37,041 --> 01:40:42,458 someone as beautiful and talented as Wade was. 1695 01:40:43,792 --> 01:40:46,500 It's just overwhelming to think that. 1696 01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:52,208 He's ruined, here, a lot of lives, 1697 01:40:52,291 --> 01:40:54,291 a lot of lives. 1698 01:40:56,417 --> 01:41:01,834 What began to happen was just this... 1699 01:41:03,208 --> 01:41:08,125 emotional, like, upheaval that was just... 1700 01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:14,333 all of these... anger and sadness and... 1701 01:41:15,458 --> 01:41:18,917 you know, back and forth, all over the place, unpredictable. 1702 01:41:19,041 --> 01:41:22,166 I mean, just coming out of me constantly. 1703 01:41:26,792 --> 01:41:32,291 After about... two weeks after I first told Dr. Shaw, 1704 01:41:33,792 --> 01:41:36,083 I, I told Mom I wanted her 1705 01:41:36,166 --> 01:41:40,125 to come into a therapy session with me. 1706 01:41:40,208 --> 01:41:41,834 I didn't tell her why. 1707 01:41:41,917 --> 01:41:44,917 I spent 30 minutes with the therapist first, 1708 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,625 just to have a chat, talk about things. 1709 01:41:47,709 --> 01:41:50,083 So then... 1710 01:41:50,166 --> 01:41:53,250 after 30 minutes, Wade joined us, 1711 01:41:53,333 --> 01:41:56,834 and we sat together on the couch, and... 1712 01:41:58,834 --> 01:42:01,041 he turned to me and said... 1713 01:42:04,875 --> 01:42:08,500 that Michael Jackson had abused him 1714 01:42:08,583 --> 01:42:11,208 from age seven to 14. 1715 01:42:15,375 --> 01:42:19,041 It was like being hit by a truck. 1716 01:42:19,875 --> 01:42:22,417 I really didn't know. 1717 01:42:26,208 --> 01:42:28,458 I remember her just... 1718 01:42:28,542 --> 01:42:29,917 I mean, just... 1719 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,458 tears streaming down her face instantly, 1720 01:42:32,542 --> 01:42:33,917 and this kind of 1721 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,917 collapse in her body, and then she just... 1722 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,583 kind of reached out to grab me and she-- 1723 01:42:39,667 --> 01:42:41,625 The first thing she said was, "How could you not-- 1724 01:42:41,709 --> 01:42:43,792 "How could you not have told me? 1725 01:42:43,875 --> 01:42:46,083 How could you not have told me?" 1726 01:42:50,458 --> 01:42:52,542 That's a real complicated question. 1727 01:42:52,625 --> 01:42:54,208 You know, I couldn't... 1728 01:42:54,291 --> 01:42:55,750 I couldn't answer that question. 1729 01:42:55,834 --> 01:42:59,917 I held him and held him. We sobbed together. 1730 01:43:01,834 --> 01:43:05,083 And I said, "Well, I have to take some... 1731 01:43:06,250 --> 01:43:07,583 "of the blame for this. 1732 01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:10,834 I am your mother, and I didn't protect you." 1733 01:43:10,917 --> 01:43:13,792 And that's what he wanted to hear, apparently. 1734 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,709 I couldn't really-- I don't know, 1735 01:43:19,792 --> 01:43:21,959 I couldn't really hug her yet. 1736 01:43:23,083 --> 01:43:24,750 I mean, I just... 1737 01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:29,291 Very beginning for me and very confused about... 1738 01:43:30,208 --> 01:43:33,792 just my relationship with, with Mom. 1739 01:43:38,083 --> 01:43:42,709 I was angry... at my mom. 1740 01:43:42,792 --> 01:43:44,625 I was angry at my mom before that. 1741 01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:49,194 I was angry for her breaking up the family, to start with, for this whole... 1742 01:43:50,291 --> 01:43:52,208 Michael Jackson nonsense. 1743 01:43:52,291 --> 01:43:55,208 Like, I don't care who some guy is, 1744 01:43:55,291 --> 01:44:00,291 how do you leave your seven-year-old or eight-year-old kid 1745 01:44:00,375 --> 01:44:03,083 to have sleepovers at their house? 1746 01:44:03,166 --> 01:44:06,083 I mean, that's just fucking crazy. 1747 01:44:06,166 --> 01:44:08,417 Like, as a parent, I don't understand 1748 01:44:08,500 --> 01:44:10,625 how that is even possible. 1749 01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:12,667 For five months after that, 1750 01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:15,625 Amanda wouldn't allow me into their home. 1751 01:44:18,625 --> 01:44:21,166 Wade and I would meet so that I could see Koa. 1752 01:44:21,250 --> 01:44:23,250 We'd have to meet in a park. 1753 01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:25,500 I was so hurt. I was so... 1754 01:44:25,583 --> 01:44:29,083 I'd always had such a great relationship with Amanda and all my family. 1755 01:44:29,166 --> 01:44:30,917 I've never had anything like this happen. 1756 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:35,125 That was the hardest thing for me to deal with. 1757 01:44:36,875 --> 01:44:40,000 And I thought she blamed me. 1758 01:44:40,083 --> 01:44:44,667 Now, I'm hearing stories about what was done to his young body, 1759 01:44:44,750 --> 01:44:46,834 with his mom... 1760 01:44:48,375 --> 01:44:51,959 close by, in-in another room. 1761 01:44:52,041 --> 01:44:55,500 Me being a young mom, you know, and my just, 1762 01:44:55,583 --> 01:44:57,792 you know, how could you ever 1763 01:44:57,875 --> 01:45:01,375 let your young child sleep in the bed of a stranger? 1764 01:45:01,458 --> 01:45:03,500 You know, I just couldn't comprehend it. 1765 01:45:03,583 --> 01:45:05,500 Wade and I met... 1766 01:45:06,750 --> 01:45:08,225 and... 1767 01:45:09,834 --> 01:45:12,959 he said there's things that he needed to say to me. 1768 01:45:13,041 --> 01:45:15,500 He told me... 1769 01:45:16,667 --> 01:45:20,208 that he felt no emotion for me. 1770 01:45:24,583 --> 01:45:26,792 As a mother, that's like, 1771 01:45:26,875 --> 01:45:30,208 the last thing you wanna hear from your child. 1772 01:45:32,750 --> 01:45:37,250 He said he had no... had no feelings for me. 1773 01:45:38,333 --> 01:45:40,333 You know, I remember asking her, like, 1774 01:45:40,417 --> 01:45:42,625 "How did you not know?" 1775 01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:44,875 You know, and she just kept saying, "I don't know. 1776 01:45:44,959 --> 01:45:47,291 "I don't know. I don't know how I didn't know. 1777 01:45:47,375 --> 01:45:49,500 "You don't think... 1778 01:45:49,583 --> 01:45:52,667 "that I wish I knew? You know, that I... 1779 01:45:52,750 --> 01:45:55,175 that I wish I didn't see this?" You know. 1780 01:45:55,959 --> 01:45:59,792 But it's changed, it affected everyone's lives. 1781 01:45:59,875 --> 01:46:04,250 My family's life, the anger from my family in Australia, and... 1782 01:46:05,709 --> 01:46:08,959 the anger from my family towards my mother, like... 1783 01:46:09,917 --> 01:46:12,792 it goes so deep. 1784 01:46:12,875 --> 01:46:14,375 Lorraine: She did everything she could. 1785 01:46:14,458 --> 01:46:18,875 She turned her life upside down... even her marriage. 1786 01:46:18,959 --> 01:46:23,542 She had turned everything upside down because of Michael. 1787 01:46:23,625 --> 01:46:27,208 It's not easy to accept, 1788 01:46:27,291 --> 01:46:29,959 even at this stage. 1789 01:46:31,083 --> 01:46:35,375 The... The abuse... was a bomb 1790 01:46:35,458 --> 01:46:39,834 that dropped in our life and exploded, 1791 01:46:39,917 --> 01:46:43,542 like, you know, and ripped apart 1792 01:46:43,625 --> 01:46:45,709 everything that we found sound 1793 01:46:45,792 --> 01:46:48,834 and secure and safe. 1794 01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,667 Laura: Of course, I want James to be happy and feel better, 1795 01:46:59,750 --> 01:47:02,709 but I don't always know how to get him there. 1796 01:47:02,792 --> 01:47:05,291 A few things had happened, um, 1797 01:47:05,375 --> 01:47:08,709 that just, sort of, sent him on a spiral. 1798 01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:14,750 His father got sick, work got very challenging. 1799 01:47:14,834 --> 01:47:18,667 All these things were coming together, and, um, 1800 01:47:18,750 --> 01:47:20,458 he just... 1801 01:47:20,542 --> 01:47:23,452 he went some place else. He went to a dark place. 1802 01:47:25,208 --> 01:47:28,250 He started drinking a lot. He started going out at night. 1803 01:47:28,333 --> 01:47:30,417 Um, he wouldn't come home. 1804 01:47:30,500 --> 01:47:35,166 During that time was the first time we were really fighting. 1805 01:47:35,250 --> 01:47:37,917 I didn't understand what was going on at all. 1806 01:47:38,166 --> 01:47:40,750 That was the first time we ever talked about, 1807 01:47:40,834 --> 01:47:43,709 you know, this isn't a relationship right now. 1808 01:47:43,792 --> 01:47:45,917 Is this heading towards divorce? I mean, 1809 01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,458 that was the first time we ever talked about things like that. 1810 01:47:49,542 --> 01:47:53,125 James: I had, like, a lot of self-hatred, 1811 01:47:53,208 --> 01:47:55,208 and I didn't know why. 1812 01:47:56,291 --> 01:47:57,959 And you're not putting it on him. 1813 01:47:58,041 --> 01:48:00,208 You're putting it on yourself. 1814 01:48:00,291 --> 01:48:03,458 You think it's your doing. 1815 01:48:03,542 --> 01:48:06,417 That's part of the manipulation. 1816 01:48:07,625 --> 01:48:10,474 People, they might look at me and see a grownup, 1817 01:48:11,083 --> 01:48:14,625 but you... need to see 1818 01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:18,333 we're mentally little kids. 1819 01:48:18,417 --> 01:48:21,417 We've just gotten... just gotten older. 1820 01:48:28,208 --> 01:48:29,750 Good morning. Good to see you. 1821 01:48:29,834 --> 01:48:32,000 You know that the things you're gonna say here this morning, 1822 01:48:32,083 --> 01:48:33,792 and perhaps in a court of law, 1823 01:48:33,875 --> 01:48:36,625 are gonna get a lot of attention, make a lot of headlines. 1824 01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:38,083 So, before I ask you specifics, 1825 01:48:38,166 --> 01:48:40,667 what's your mindset right now? 1826 01:48:40,750 --> 01:48:42,875 What's my mindset. Um... 1827 01:48:42,959 --> 01:48:45,291 I feel strong. I feel... 1828 01:48:46,333 --> 01:48:48,000 like this is the right thing to do, 1829 01:48:48,083 --> 01:48:50,291 'cause this is my truth. -Despite what some people 1830 01:48:50,375 --> 01:48:52,583 -may say after you say these things? -Yes. 1831 01:48:52,667 --> 01:48:55,333 I had to defend the lie, 1832 01:48:55,417 --> 01:48:57,417 you know, for so many years. 1833 01:48:58,792 --> 01:49:00,542 And I didn't wanna do that anymore. 1834 01:49:00,625 --> 01:49:03,000 You know, I was just trying to declare this 1835 01:49:03,083 --> 01:49:06,583 whole new life for myself, 1836 01:49:06,667 --> 01:49:08,834 based on the truth. 1837 01:49:08,917 --> 01:49:11,125 Let me take you back to 2005, Wade, all right, 1838 01:49:11,208 --> 01:49:13,959 the child molestation trial of Michael Jackson. 1839 01:49:14,041 --> 01:49:16,333 You were the first witness called by the defense, 1840 01:49:16,417 --> 01:49:19,667 and the attorney for Michael Jackson said he called you first 1841 01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:22,667 because you were so convincing and powerful, 1842 01:49:22,750 --> 01:49:25,375 asserting the innocence of Michael Jackson. 1843 01:49:25,458 --> 01:49:28,458 And here we are these years later, and you're going to say 1844 01:49:28,542 --> 01:49:30,208 just the opposite. -Wade: Right. 1845 01:49:30,291 --> 01:49:32,417 Lauer: What happened? 1846 01:49:33,125 --> 01:49:34,917 First of all, one thing I wanna clear up is that 1847 01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,959 this is not a case of repressed memory. 1848 01:49:38,041 --> 01:49:39,750 -Which has been reported in the press. -Yeah. 1849 01:49:39,834 --> 01:49:43,500 I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me. 1850 01:49:44,208 --> 01:49:47,250 But I was psychologically and emotionally 1851 01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:50,417 completely unable and unwilling 1852 01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:52,917 to understand that it was sexual abuse. 1853 01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,625 So, what are you alleging that he actually did? 1854 01:49:55,709 --> 01:49:59,667 He sexually abused me from seven years old until 14. 1855 01:49:59,750 --> 01:50:02,417 And even though there's lots of... 1856 01:50:02,500 --> 01:50:05,125 parts of it that are still... 1857 01:50:05,208 --> 01:50:08,125 scary and uncomfortable, um, 1858 01:50:08,208 --> 01:50:10,083 to talk about these sort of things, 1859 01:50:10,166 --> 01:50:12,917 and talk about these sexual details and this... 1860 01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,917 crazy stuff that happened 1861 01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,333 between Michael and I... 1862 01:50:20,667 --> 01:50:24,000 it still feels a whole lot better than... 1863 01:50:25,625 --> 01:50:27,542 than the lie did. 1864 01:50:28,417 --> 01:50:30,125 You have these symptoms, 1865 01:50:30,208 --> 01:50:33,792 and then you find out that somebody else has them and... 1866 01:50:33,875 --> 01:50:37,391 and then they went through something that you went through. 1867 01:50:37,709 --> 01:50:41,250 I really just wanted to talk to Wade 'cause... 1868 01:50:42,083 --> 01:50:43,625 you feel so alone. 1869 01:50:45,625 --> 01:50:48,875 I think I told my wife after Wade... 1870 01:50:49,959 --> 01:50:52,709 came out, maybe a few weeks after. 1871 01:50:53,375 --> 01:50:55,834 Telling her was... 1872 01:51:02,625 --> 01:51:05,125 like, no going back. 1873 01:51:05,208 --> 01:51:07,500 At that point in time, we had a computer in our bedroom, 1874 01:51:07,583 --> 01:51:09,250 and I was working late at night. 1875 01:51:09,333 --> 01:51:10,750 And he was sitting at the edge of the bed, 1876 01:51:10,834 --> 01:51:13,250 just waiting for me to finish, which was not like him. 1877 01:51:13,333 --> 01:51:16,000 And I, you know, was working, working, working. He's like, 1878 01:51:16,083 --> 01:51:19,667 "Can you please just stop?" And he sounded so irritated with me. 1879 01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:21,667 I was like, you know, what the heck? 1880 01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:23,417 I turn off the computer, and I turned around, 1881 01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:27,333 and that's when I saw how serious and sad his face was. 1882 01:51:27,417 --> 01:51:30,500 And he said, "Laura, I have to tell you something." 1883 01:51:30,583 --> 01:51:33,125 And he just said, "Bad things have happened. 1884 01:51:33,208 --> 01:51:37,250 You know, Michael wasn't-- he wasn't a good guy." And... 1885 01:51:37,875 --> 01:51:41,208 he just clearly was a ball of emotions, 1886 01:51:41,291 --> 01:51:43,250 and, um, and I was scared. 1887 01:51:43,333 --> 01:51:45,792 It was just like a punch in the chest. 1888 01:51:45,875 --> 01:51:49,083 You're not positive it's the right decision... 1889 01:51:49,959 --> 01:51:52,000 and then thinking that 1890 01:51:52,083 --> 01:51:54,792 that action's gonna ruin your life... 1891 01:51:57,792 --> 01:52:00,250 is... I can-- I don't know. 1892 01:52:00,333 --> 01:52:04,709 I can't even, I can't describe how scary it is. 1893 01:52:04,792 --> 01:52:08,291 It wasn't a heavy, long conversation. 1894 01:52:08,375 --> 01:52:10,208 It was a cry. 1895 01:52:10,291 --> 01:52:13,041 He sort of just-- we gave each other a hug, 1896 01:52:13,125 --> 01:52:17,917 and he showed me Wade's interview, 1897 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:22,041 and he just sort of cried and... 1898 01:52:22,125 --> 01:52:23,959 He didn't go into much detail then. 1899 01:52:24,041 --> 01:52:26,083 It was just more of this like... 1900 01:52:26,166 --> 01:52:29,125 Oh, wow. Our life just got heavy. 1901 01:52:30,917 --> 01:52:33,917 It still feels shameful. 1902 01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,709 I still have... 1903 01:52:36,625 --> 01:52:39,333 feelings that it was... 1904 01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:43,542 like, my fault. 1905 01:52:47,792 --> 01:52:49,750 Announcer: And now, TMZ breaks the news 1906 01:52:49,834 --> 01:52:52,291 to pop star Omarion that Wade Robson 1907 01:52:52,375 --> 01:52:55,792 is suing Michael Jackson for child sex abuse! 1908 01:52:55,875 --> 01:52:57,667 What? -Interviewer: Yes. 1909 01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:59,083 He's suing Mike? 1910 01:52:59,166 --> 01:53:01,291 Yes. -MJ? The person that's dead? 1911 01:53:01,375 --> 01:53:03,041 Announcer: All of the above, actually! 1912 01:53:03,125 --> 01:53:05,583 He said Michael never touched me, but, yes, I slept in his bed, 1913 01:53:05,667 --> 01:53:09,458 by myself with him, and he was in his 30s, I was seven. 1914 01:53:09,542 --> 01:53:11,917 He should sue his mom for letting him go sleep 1915 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,458 with Michael Jackson when he's seven years old. 1916 01:53:14,542 --> 01:53:16,625 Wade Robson, I put him on as my witness 1917 01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:19,166 and he was subjected to a withering cross-examination 1918 01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:22,667 by prosecutor Ron Zonen from the Santa Barbara District Attorney's Office. 1919 01:53:22,750 --> 01:53:25,875 I mean, Ron went after him, and Ron's a good prosecutor. 1920 01:53:25,959 --> 01:53:29,333 He would not waver. He was adamant he was never touched. 1921 01:53:29,417 --> 01:53:32,917 And my understanding was Safechuck repeatedly said the same thing. 1922 01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:34,959 So, to suddenly come back years later, 1923 01:53:35,041 --> 01:53:37,041 and say we want millions of dollars, 1924 01:53:37,125 --> 01:53:39,875 we were brainwashed, we had repressed memory, 1925 01:53:39,959 --> 01:53:42,458 we didn't face the facts, we didn't deal with reality... 1926 01:53:42,542 --> 01:53:44,458 I just find very, very suspicious. 1927 01:53:44,542 --> 01:53:46,709 The story just keeps changing. 1928 01:53:47,792 --> 01:53:49,375 His story 1929 01:53:49,458 --> 01:53:51,583 keeps changing. 1930 01:53:55,417 --> 01:53:59,041 I have really fucking had it with you, dude. 1931 01:53:59,125 --> 01:54:00,542 Fuck you. 1932 01:54:00,625 --> 01:54:02,834 Fuck you to fucking hell. 1933 01:54:02,917 --> 01:54:04,667 Fuck you, Wade! 1934 01:54:04,750 --> 01:54:07,375 Fuck, I hate you so much! 1935 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,959 Amanda: The die-hard Michael fans, 1936 01:54:16,041 --> 01:54:18,083 some of them are... 1937 01:54:19,125 --> 01:54:23,458 very, um... hateful. 1938 01:54:23,542 --> 01:54:26,000 It's been scary for me, 1939 01:54:26,083 --> 01:54:28,709 as a mom, with our child. 1940 01:54:28,792 --> 01:54:33,959 You know, in regard to the, the threats that come from... 1941 01:54:34,041 --> 01:54:35,625 that Wade receives. 1942 01:54:35,709 --> 01:54:39,166 I'm not gonna lie and say that that's not hard... 1943 01:54:39,250 --> 01:54:43,041 to see and to hear and to feel, 1944 01:54:43,125 --> 01:54:46,375 um, people not believing me, and people thinking 1945 01:54:46,458 --> 01:54:49,250 that it's all about the money, about nothing but the money. 1946 01:54:49,333 --> 01:54:52,000 Newsreader 1: A judge has dismissed a choreographer's claim 1947 01:54:52,083 --> 01:54:54,917 that Michael Jackson molested him as a child. 1948 01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,625 Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchel Becklov 1949 01:54:57,709 --> 01:55:01,041 dismissed Wade Robson's claim on Tuesday, 1950 01:55:01,125 --> 01:55:04,875 after determining he waited too long to file it in court. 1951 01:55:04,959 --> 01:55:06,875 Newsreader 2: He did not rule on the credibility 1952 01:55:06,959 --> 01:55:09,375 of Robson's allegations themselves. 1953 01:55:09,458 --> 01:55:12,610 Man: This is where they officially threw out his case. 1954 01:55:17,083 --> 01:55:19,417 These people don't even know Michael. 1955 01:55:19,500 --> 01:55:21,583 They know Michael Jackson, 1956 01:55:21,667 --> 01:55:23,750 the amazing musician, 1957 01:55:23,834 --> 01:55:25,917 and the amazing superstar. 1958 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,879 I'm not taking anything away from Michael's talent as a superstar. 1959 01:55:30,834 --> 01:55:35,125 But as a man, as a human being, 1960 01:55:35,208 --> 01:55:37,375 he's hurt people. 1961 01:55:38,250 --> 01:55:40,333 And those people that he's hurt 1962 01:55:40,417 --> 01:55:42,417 should have a chance to talk about it, 1963 01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:45,291 and they should be allowed to be okay. 1964 01:55:45,375 --> 01:55:47,417 The way that I understand it, it's very common 1965 01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:51,250 for this type of abuse to be registered later in life. 1966 01:55:51,333 --> 01:55:53,375 That when you're that small and that hurt, 1967 01:55:53,458 --> 01:55:56,333 you don't even understand what's happened to you. 1968 01:55:56,417 --> 01:55:59,417 So, I mean, we can't change it. 1969 01:55:59,500 --> 01:56:01,458 Michael's gone, but it doesn't change the fact 1970 01:56:01,542 --> 01:56:03,125 that he destroyed these people, 1971 01:56:03,208 --> 01:56:05,815 and that the world still goes on loving him. 1972 01:56:10,208 --> 01:56:13,375 James: He had so many good parts about him. 1973 01:56:13,458 --> 01:56:16,959 People think his music's great, so he's great. 1974 01:56:17,041 --> 01:56:18,792 And people grew up with him, too, 1975 01:56:18,875 --> 01:56:22,083 'cause he was a star since he was a little kid. 1976 01:56:22,166 --> 01:56:24,500 So, to think that that person 1977 01:56:24,583 --> 01:56:28,208 is doing the worst possible things to kids... 1978 01:56:30,667 --> 01:56:35,667 you know, that's tough, I think, for people to... 1979 01:56:36,917 --> 01:56:39,208 wrap their heads around. 1980 01:56:39,291 --> 01:56:42,917 I didn't protect my son. 1981 01:56:44,834 --> 01:56:48,458 That will always, always haunt me. 1982 01:56:48,875 --> 01:56:51,333 I had one job. I had one child. 1983 01:56:51,417 --> 01:56:53,208 And I had one job. 1984 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,792 And I fucked up. 1985 01:57:00,542 --> 01:57:03,041 So, I had all these months 1986 01:57:03,792 --> 01:57:05,875 of loving my life with Michael, 1987 01:57:05,959 --> 01:57:10,709 and traveling, and living the good life, so to speak, 1988 01:57:10,792 --> 01:57:13,959 all those wonderful memories... 1989 01:57:14,583 --> 01:57:19,959 it was all based on, um, the suffering of my son. 1990 01:57:20,041 --> 01:57:23,375 My son had to suffer for me to have this life. 1991 01:57:24,917 --> 01:57:29,625 My son is messed up today because of it. 1992 01:57:29,709 --> 01:57:32,458 And I'm messed up today because of it. 1993 01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:37,625 So you keep secrets and secrets, and secrets kill you. 1994 01:57:37,709 --> 01:57:39,959 And everything's been a secret... 1995 01:57:40,834 --> 01:57:43,166 and finally, can say something. 1996 01:57:45,875 --> 01:57:49,625 Joy: I don't wanna know too much about what went on. 1997 01:57:49,709 --> 01:57:51,875 I don't wanna have that discussion with him 1998 01:57:51,959 --> 01:57:54,917 because that would give me nightmares. 1999 01:57:55,625 --> 01:57:59,333 I don't wanna hear that, so I have not really had 2000 01:57:59,417 --> 01:58:02,041 a discussion about the sexual side of it. 2001 01:58:02,125 --> 01:58:05,166 I don't know what else I could've done, 2002 01:58:05,667 --> 01:58:08,125 but whatever it is, I wish I had. 2003 01:58:09,542 --> 01:58:11,792 I don't know if I'll ever really 2004 01:58:11,875 --> 01:58:14,625 fully forgive her to what happened to the family 2005 01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:16,834 and what happened to Wade. 2006 01:58:16,917 --> 01:58:19,583 Um, I still love her and all. 2007 01:58:20,166 --> 01:58:23,291 You know, still support her as much as I can, but... 2008 01:58:24,375 --> 01:58:27,163 there's some things that I don't know if you... 2009 01:58:27,917 --> 01:58:30,125 I don't know if I can forgive. 2010 01:58:35,166 --> 01:58:39,333 Amanda: I don't know how many there are that Michael abused, 2011 01:58:39,417 --> 01:58:42,792 but you can only imagine what the power that he had 2012 01:58:42,875 --> 01:58:44,834 and the influence that he had. 2013 01:58:44,917 --> 01:58:47,959 We, like, the public knows how many children were there. 2014 01:58:48,041 --> 01:58:51,496 And then there's all the children that we don't know about. 2015 01:58:56,792 --> 01:59:03,125 Wade: If my story of abuse with Michael and... 2016 01:59:03,208 --> 01:59:05,693 and all of the ways that it affected me... 2017 01:59:06,375 --> 01:59:08,959 if speaking that truth, 2018 01:59:09,041 --> 01:59:12,667 other survivors of child sexual abuse, 2019 01:59:12,750 --> 01:59:14,792 at the hands of anybody, 2020 01:59:14,875 --> 01:59:16,542 could be helped in any way, shape or form, 2021 01:59:16,625 --> 01:59:19,291 by me coming forward and speaking it, 2022 01:59:19,375 --> 01:59:21,166 I wanted to be able to do that. 2023 01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:24,417 I wanna be able to speak the truth... 2024 01:59:25,417 --> 01:59:28,709 as loud as I had to speak the lie for so long. 2025 01:59:31,917 --> 01:59:34,208 Joy: It's just the fame, the whole thing, 2026 01:59:34,291 --> 01:59:36,458 you do get caught up in it. 2027 01:59:38,417 --> 01:59:41,000 Maybe I can forgive him, at some point, 2028 01:59:41,083 --> 01:59:44,208 if I tried to understand that he was sick... 2029 01:59:47,875 --> 01:59:51,000 but forgiving myself is another thing. 2030 01:59:51,083 --> 01:59:54,417 I don't know if I will ever do that. 2031 02:00:02,917 --> 02:00:06,625 Stephanie: He took my son's childhood away. 2032 02:00:08,417 --> 02:00:12,250 He took the man he could've been away. 2033 02:00:12,333 --> 02:00:14,458 He was a pedophile. 2034 02:00:16,291 --> 02:00:20,250 You know, the word says it all: pedophile. 2035 02:00:22,125 --> 02:00:24,208 James: I think they thought they were doing the right thing, 2036 02:00:24,291 --> 02:00:26,750 and he's the biggest star, and he's gonna-- 2037 02:00:26,834 --> 02:00:28,917 "I'm gonna help your son, and... 2038 02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,542 "You're son's amazing, 2039 02:00:30,625 --> 02:00:32,504 and I'm gonna be there for him." 2040 02:00:33,125 --> 02:00:35,291 It's all a big seduction. 2041 02:00:36,166 --> 02:00:38,291 So, do I blame them? 2042 02:00:42,625 --> 02:00:45,291 I'm still working on it.